they will be here this thursday, ill let yall know, anyone that says you will lose hp and torque with this style header is ****ing retarded. reason being have any body defending the stock parts see them. jesus they are built like ****, the manifolds come together right after the ports, that causes so much turbulence, its insane. im personally kinda worried about a flex pipe, cause you know it could break and go up in the turbo. btw no flex pipe it will most likely crack like a *****, cause its not iron. so whatever, umm people these cars arent magic. there simply air pumps, and work off the same physics as any other motor. this post is directed to a few people on the board, from which some posts ive seen. i like to look at this site to learn new things but sometimes i just gotta wonder why people post the things they do, with no validity. maybe im just bored and feel like venting. but just take it for what its worth and nothing else, i like this site, and this is my first post, but i feel that there is so much misinformation on all these websites, and its so hard to try and find help and good knowledge. thanks to anyone who reads and takes anything positive from this.