Ninfourteener's Progress Thread + Pics

[Pavia]

Maybe, but it replaces the bubblegum soft bushings in the rear diff and subframe outrigger braces. The klunk is from the drivetrain flexing under load (usually in 1st or 2nd) and the subframe brace coming up and smacking the chassis. You will notice it a lot more if put stiffer eng and tranny mounts in, but leave the rear bushings stock.

Turn in concepts sells the parts individually or as a kit with the subframe bolts (unabomber's sexy rearend).

I got the race stiffness bushings and noticed no appreciable increase in NVH.

I highly recommend it for our hawkeyes.

[ninefourteener]

I'm actually not experiencing any "klunk" at all in my car. It has never really been a consideration.

Sounds like one of those things if I happened to have it, sure, I'd install it.... but it isn't on the top of the list as "next purchases"

I'm actually doing quite a bit of research on a set of 6-point subframe braces, the Cusco from a-arm brace, and the reat trailing arrm T-braces. I figure anything that helps stiffen up the chassis and improve feel/steering response is a good thing

[irvin787878]

Maybe, but it replaces the bubblegum soft bushings in the rear diff and subframe outrigger braces. The klunk is from the drivetrain flexing under load (usually in 1st or 2nd) and the subframe brace coming up and smacking the chassis. You will notice it a lot more if put stiffer eng and tranny mounts in, but leave the rear bushings stock.

Turn in concepts sells the parts individually or as a kit with the subframe bolts (unabomber's sexy rearend).

I got the race stiffness bushings and noticed no appreciable increase in NVH.

I highly recommend it for our hawkeyes.

so if i would get all of them the eng and tranny and the rear ones. maybe it would go away.

[Pavia]

so if i would get all of them the eng and tranny and the rear ones. maybe it would go away.

It will go away with just the kit. The eng and tranny mounts actually increase it. But get the kit only or do all three. You want all your power getting to the wheels, not twisting on soft bushing mounts. You have to think of your drivetrain as a whole. Stiffen up one area and the torque will stress in another.

But, to Ninefourteener as well, I would go for the sexy rearend kit. It made my shifts much more crisp and improved acceleration.

There's no point tightening up everything and leaving the rear diff twisting in the wind.

The install is very easy, the cost is cheap, and if I was going north of stage 2, I would do it.

[Emsbuff124]

I installed the rear shifter bushing and the rear subframe lockdown bolts last night.

My suspension is already pretty stiff, and pretty well sorted.... so I didn't notice much of a difference at all driving to work this morning. Not to say that I won't notice it on the track.... but I don't notice it just driving around town.

Shifter feels noticeably better though. I'm glad I put it in.

i love the bushings when i did my kartboy short throw i did the front and rear bushings gave it a really nice solid feel when you shifted. there is another bushing that im looking at getting off of fastwrx.com that will make the throws even more sharper

[irvin787878]

It will go away with just the kit. The eng and tranny mounts actually increase it. But get the kit only or do all three. You want all your power getting to the wheels, not twisting on soft bushing mounts. You have to think of your drivetrain as a whole. Stiffen up one area and the torque will stress in another.

But, to Ninefourteener as well, I would go for the sexy rearend kit. It made my shifts much more crisp and improved acceleration.

There's no point tightening up everything and leaving the rear diff twisting in the wind.

The install is very easy, the cost is cheap, and if I was going north of stage 2, I would do it.

just want to be clear these are the eng ones ur talking about
http://turninconcepts.com/product_in...roducts_id=619
and this is the tranny one
http://turninconcepts.com/product_in...roducts_id=950
or use these instead of the first tranny mount
http://turninconcepts.com/product_in...roducts_id=310

[ninefourteener]

And they're here

as you can see, I've had the opportunity to tear one of them down completely. greased it, cleaned off all the gunk... cleaned off the exterior and interior threads..... and used some PB Blaster and a wire bristle brush to scrub off a bit of the surface rust from the tophat mounting plates.

I checked all the struts.... all of them feel great.. plenty of pressure... smooth... no leaks. Even the dustcovers are in awesome shape... no tears, etc.

I was PLEASANTLY surprised to see the REAR coilovers come in with the camber adjustment tophats. I do not believe the "standard" Buddy Club coilovers come with them. I think that was an "upgrade" from Buddy Club. I'm not sure what they cost.... but the "standard" coilovers I've seen from anywhere from $1500 to $1900, without the rear camber adjustable tophats. Cool.

Obviously the first one came out great, feels great, looks great, and operates perfectly now that I've cleaned all the gunk. I certainly don't mind putting a bit of work into them to "restore" them after what I paid.

Ready for this???

$411...... including shipping.... to my front door

Buddy Club Racing Spec Damper Coilovers
Inverted, monotube strut design
18-way adjustable dampeners
8k front springs
6k rear springs

I'll start tomorrow getting the rest of them cleaned up and prepped to go on the car!!!

[irvin787878]

And they're here

Ready for this???

$411...... including shipping.... to my front door

thats an awesome deal. they look great when all cleaned up. i gotta start searching stuff more to find deals like that.

[ninefourteener]

It was a terrible auction on ebay.

Poorly written... with even more terrible pictures. It doesn't surprise me that it had very few bids. Once I an done completely cleaning them up, and taking high quality, high resolution photos of everything, with a well-worded description.... I bet I could sell them on ebay for at LEAST twice what I paid for them, probably more.

I've been in contact with the seller for several days though... asked tons of questions, and made sure they were exactly what I was looking for. Plus, I did quite a bit of research on this particular set of coilovers through other means.

I had a $450 snipe set on them.... turns out I only needed $361 of that though.

Works for me:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...#ht_500wt_1182

[Emsbuff124]

wow nice props on the coilovers did they come with the in car control unit were you can adjust them from inside the car and not have to get out and fix each one, one at a time???? i know Tein had a sensor like that

[irvin787878]

just goes to show. ebay can have good finds.

[ninefourteener]

wow nice props on the coilovers did they come with the in car control unit were you can adjust them from inside the car and not have to get out and fix each one, one at a time???? i know Tein had a sensor like that

Tein and Cusco are the only companies that offer those systems. Tein calls it the EDFC... not sure what Cusco calls it. It is a control unit inside the car, with a series of 4 different little electric motors that sit on top of the dampners. To the best of my knowledge, those are the only two companies that offer it.

I almost went with a set of Tein Flex's with EDFC, until I found out that the SCCA does not allow any suspension adjustments that are controllable from inside the car.... at all.

So.... that is why I went with an inverted strut design. The dampners are on the bottom, which means I don't have to remove the rear seats to get to them

[ninefourteener]

Ok..... these girls are ready to go. I need to re-up the temp tags on the brat so I have a car to drive while this thing is up on jacks. I've kinda let it go - haven't touched it much since I bought these. I'll go ahead and get it through inspections and get the brat "full-time" finally.

Plus, the SVX sold on eBay.... so the buyer should be picking it up here shortly... so I need an "alternate" vehicle anyway.

I spoke with some experts, and although the rear coils have camber adjusting tophats, I don't particularly want to remove the rear seats every time I go to the track, so I'm going to set the rear camber at an aggressive, abut still "streetable" 2.0 degrees of negative camber..... and leave them alone, track or street.

The fronts, I'm going to bottom out the camber adjustments on the tophats, and have the alignment guys set the camber bolts at 3.0 degrees of negative camber as my "race" setting.

Then, I'll have them draw up the tophats to negative 2.0 degrees of camber to use as my "daily" setting. Should work well. I can mark the tophats at my daily setting... then when it comes time to go to the track, I can just bottom out the tophats and start driving.

So the cleaning, lubing, "restore" process went well, with "virtually" no problems.... until I got to the front coilovers.... Holy F-ing crap.... the PO had the pre-load on these things set so f-ing hard. Literally 1/3 of the spring length was pre-loaded onto the coilovers. They are linear springs, which doesn't make a GD bit of sense to pre-load them so far. That was kind of an ass-hattish thing to do.

Then I thought back to the ebay auction when the PO said they were too harsh. Well NO F-ING $HIT dude.... you had these things pre-loaded enough to hold up a building.

So.... to remove the perches from a gunked up set of coilovers, with 8k springs preloaded over an inch more than they needed to be...... required the use of a BFH and my spanner wrench. I'm a little pissed because it chewed up my perches. Whatever... they still work, and at least now they are set properly.

So here's a comparison.... of one of the fronts completed, and PROPERLY loaded with about 5mm of pre-load past hand-tight. And the untouched one...... with the "give myself a brain aneurism while driving" setting:



So..... that happened.

The other front wasn't any easier to get apart.... but I got it without "too" much damage to the spring perch.

But..... they are ready to go.... struts are lubed and operating as smooth as butter... I forsee no problems whatsoever getting them on and having them ride well.

After I install them, I'll put on my race wheels/tires, just be sure I'll have enough clearance for 9" wide wheels. It would suck to get to the track, swap wheels, and find out they are rubbing on the struts or the fenders.

So here they are..... ready for install

[Mikie13]

That spring looks like its going to explode off of the damn coilover!!!

Glad you got it sorted out. Certainly looks like an awesome pickup!

[Emsbuff124]

Tein and Cusco are the only companies that offer those systems. Tein calls it the EDFC... not sure what Cusco calls it. It is a control unit inside the car, with a series of 4 different little electric motors that sit on top of the dampners. To the best of my knowledge, those are the only two companies that offer it.

I almost went with a set of Tein Flex's with EDFC, until I found out that the SCCA does not allow any suspension adjustments that are controllable from inside the car.... at all.

So.... that is why I went with an inverted strut design. The dampners are on the bottom, which means I don't have to remove the rear seats to get to them

ahh i like that idea that is not a bad design idea all and that is a bummer that the SCCA does not allow the EDFC