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    The stock tune is junk. When I go wot in my car I can feel the studder and hesitation throughout the rpm. And power completely dies off after 5k Rpms.

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    Why spend any money if you're planning on selling? That's a grand towards whatever car you plan on purchasing.

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    Cuz I want to enjoy it this year at least, but I'm thinking I may just keep the motor stock if you guys don't think stage 1 would be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13WrXx View Post
    Cuz I want to enjoy it this year at least, but I'm thinking I may just keep the motor stock if you guys don't think stage 1 would be worth it.
    Stage 1 IS worth it for just an off the shelf tune. It's not worth forking $600 in addition to an accessport or OP2.0. That said, you seem to think that tunes aren't modifying the car, and you'd be selling it "unmodified", which would be false. For the sake of the future owners, yes, skip the Stage 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 13WrXx View Post
    The stock tune is junk. When I go wot in my car I can feel the studder and hesitation throughout the rpm. And power completely dies off after 5k Rpms.
    A protune may be slightly better in terms of earlier power delivery and slightly more HP because tuners aren't regulated but the EPA. I still would not call the stock tune "junk" because I'll be damned if the stock tune doesn't make the car last for hundreds of thousands of miles.....

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    Stage 1 IS worth it for just an off the shelf tune. It's not worth forking $600 in addition to an accessport or OP2.0. That said, you seem to think that tunes aren't modifying the car, and you'd be selling it "unmodified", which would be false. For the sake of the future owners, yes, skip the Stage 1.
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    why not try to just get stimikey or phatbotti to do a road tune for you? efi is great, but at $500 that's a hefty price. its your money though, we've said that the shop is awesome, but its up to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo View Post
    Stage 1 IS worth it for just an off the shelf tune. It's not worth forking $600 in addition to an accessport or OP2.0. That said, you seem to think that tunes aren't modifying the car, and you'd be selling it "unmodified", which would be false. For the sake of the future owners, yes, skip the Stage 1.
    I know that tuning the car is modifying. But once Unmarried the car is completely stock and does not have any worn bolts on the downpipe and intake. Which is what I first look for when purchasing a car.

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    the car was returned to stock after being unmarried... it is no longer stock though. With that extra little bit of power, youre putting extra strain on the internals. depending how you drive it, even more so. if the next guy gets it and abuses it like a red headed step child, even more. If I was going to sell a car in a year, I would leave it as is. I'm not sure why I would buy a car to turn around and sell it in a year.

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    I'm most likely not staying in nj by next year and will be moving south. And I originally wanted an 04 cobra so I'm going to buy one once I move and buy a pickup truck as a dd

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    I agree with this, coming from a Mazdaspeed 3, the stock tune on the WRX feels "better" than an aftermarket tune on a Mazdaspeed 3. However, I am considering the stage I tune with the Cobb AP ver. 3 and would like to know what the recommended "safest" route would be. With my prior cars, I would dyno and obtain A/F numbers in order to insure the car was not running lean.

    So, the question is, with a stage I tune, what is optimal to insure that the car is running "safe" ie within proper A/F ratios and not overboosting or advancing timing, etc...etc..?

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    Also, let me add that I don't think it's right for people to call the stock tune "junk". If it was "junk" why would Subaru spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on R&D and hire engine management professionals to make a stock map that was worthless... The stock tune is there for a reason, if not then why not have a less conservative map loaded on the ECU from the get go? It's most likely for reliability, engine longevity and for emissions regulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris410 View Post
    I agree with this, coming from a Mazdaspeed 3, the stock tune on the WRX feels "better" than an aftermarket tune on a Mazdaspeed 3. However, I am considering the stage I tune with the Cobb AP ver. 3 and would like to know what the recommended "safest" route would be. With my prior cars, I would dyno and obtain A/F numbers in order to insure the car was not running lean.

    So, the question is, with a stage I tune, what is optimal to insure that the car is running "safe" ie within proper A/F ratios and not overboosting or advancing timing, etc...etc..?
    Get a Wideband gauge and a boost gauge. Run data logs. Eff bishes. Profit.

    While a Cobb AP Stage 1 increases performance levels to an otherwise stock car, it also is still pretty watered down. It was created to be "safe" for most any car out there pending the map notes are followed.
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    I had a stage 1 open source tune. It was a certainly noticeable improvement. It cost me $400 total. After going to stage 2 though i cant recommend spending the money on the stage 1 tune. I also own a bugeye so it might be different on the newer models.
    Find a low-mileage one-owner unmodified '04/'05 and you're golden.

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    Yea I think the newer models respond better to just a tune. Thanks for your input tho.

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    Nope, bugeye gets a little more bump on stage I.
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    So you guys really think it's not worth it for a protune? Just use OTS map until Stage 2 time?
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