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This is a discussion on WRX modifications <1000$ within the Engine Modifications forums, part of the Tech & Modifying & General Repairs category; If you have someone tune your car opensource then you never have to touch a computer. Besides, in my experience, ...

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    If you have someone tune your car opensource then you never have to touch a computer. Besides, in my experience, flashing maps with the AP is no easier than with opensource.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MainFrame View Post
    Flashing maps with the AP is no easier than with opensource.
    This. If you can read instructions, you can do it. It's no more difficult than an AP. Probably a lot quicker too...plus, the logging ability is much better. And...muuuuuuuch cheaper. Then you CAN afford all the power adding goodies you want. Intake, DP, and the tuning ability for $1000? Not bad.
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    I would, I was looking at some short ram intakes actually, however other than the AP, I don't want to do something that would clearly void my warranty just yet. I heard a down pipe will do that, not sure about the intakes though. But in the end I think a dp would be more useful than an intake in terms of power gains.

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    Hold up I just read your posts @Mikkie13 and Mainframe. Is it really that easy??? I would take opensource over an AP in a heartbeat.. I am now considering it actually after hearing you talk about it. Because I also looked at the various maps available for opensource, like torqued performance and they seemed much better than COBB's. The thing is even if its easier than AP, is it more effective than an AP and is it as safe as an AP? I mean besides the realtime monitoring stuff, can you save your stock maps back onto your computer like you could do for an AP? I need to look into this, because I heard that the AP is a piece of cake, like get in and go, and I always imagined opensource was hours of headaches and confusion. Thanks for the input y'all!

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    Nothing can void your warranty, but just about anything can be cited as a reason to deny a warranty claim, whether your can is completely stock or modded.


    The only headache with os is installing the software. You need to make sure your laptop is up to date, including Java.. then just download the programs and install. After that it's exactly the same as using an AP, plug into the car, install flash connector, plug in test mode, turn ignition "on", hit the flash button.


    You can easily save your current map to your laptop, and I would recommend it. There's nothing about one being more effective or safer, they both do the exact same thing (open source has real time monitoring as well, only with a much faster polling rate, which is better). I'm not a fan of Torqued Performance maps, I would always opt for an actual tune rather than a one size fits all base map.

    If you're having a tuner tune the car then you don't even need to buy a cable or flash anything yourself, they will do it all for you.

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    If I have a tuner tune my car, can I store there tuned map on my laptop? Because I heard you needed an AP to store a tuner's maps of your car. And idk I was just stating the example of torqued performance because their stage 1 map seems to produce more power than cobb's stage 1 maps.

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    If you have an Open Port cable and the software on your laptop you can download whatever map is on your car and save it to your computer. That is, unless it is locked by the tuner.


    If they created the map with your AP then you can only load it on your AP, but if they made the map with open source then any computer with ECUFlash installed can download the map.

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    I would go opensource but I don't wanna use romraider to flash my car because I want to go with a trusted name/company. So I was thinking about buying an accessport and then buying a map from torqued performance (because I feel like their maps give a lot more power than COBB's) and transferring it onto my accessport. In order to do that I would have to use Accesstuner, and anyone know how difficult it is to do what I am talking about?

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    ECUFlash is just as reliable as an AP in my experience, but if you just want to pay for the Cobb name I understand.


    Downloading a map and loading it onto your AP isn't very difficult (in my opinion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrx>> View Post
    I would go opensource but I don't wanna use romraider to flash my car because I want to go with a trusted name/company. So I was thinking about buying an accessport and then buying a map from torqued performance (because I feel like their maps give a lot more power than COBB's) and transferring it onto my accessport. In order to do that I would have to use Accesstuner, and anyone know how difficult it is to do what I am talking about?
    It's very easy. All you have to do to get accesstuner after you buy your AP is email cobb and they will send the software over email for you to download to your computer. You can't use a MAC. They only have it for PC.

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    Haha idc about name brands its just that COBB seems like an established pay-for-service company unlike romraider which is just a volunteer run software. THank you all so much I have decided to go the torqued performance route w/the accesstuner software + AP. Thanks a lot y'all! Proud to be part of this subaru community!

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    For what it's worth, one of the top developers for RomRaider was so ahead of the game he was recently hired by Cobb for development and pulled away from RR. Just because you have to pay doesn't mean it's better.

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    Idk it's not even the people at rom raider that I don't trust I'm a first time tuner and I'm just really cautious at this point not to do something that will blow my motor...Im still researching on how to work with both programs..I'm still sorta lost on what to do download and how to use it properly in regards to tactrix/opensource

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrx>> View Post
    Idk it's not even the people at rom raider that I don't trust I'm a first time tuner and I'm just really cautious at this point not to do something that will blow my motor...Im still researching on how to work with both programs..I'm still sorta lost on what to do download and how to use it properly in regards to tactrix/opensource
    That's smart thinking. Worst scenario is you brick your ecu and now your brand new car won't start! Be sure to research thoroughly!

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