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    I'm glad it was FINALLY spelled out. There are soooo many threads on what is or is not stage 2. I wish it was seriously just broken down to "Tune/Downpipe" and boom.

    To the OP, like people are saying you need to find a tuner who you like. Shop around and see what they say/have done. Check the reviews on your local Subie forum as well. Here in Vegas we've got a guy we send everyone to and he's great. Good luck, lovin my tune/dp!!! Totally new vehicle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zman13 View Post
    How reliable is the car after the down pipe and tune? Is it better to wait till the warranty is up? It sounds really tempting but so does Stock reliability and No worries!
    Generally when you add something to a car its reliability factor is jeopardized. Reliability is a very fragile term. So in theory adding anything would make the car less reliable, but generally with stage 2 and a nice tune you will be ok. This doesn't mean your car will least for 200,xxx miles either. If you drive the car like maniac and the time and I drive like ms. daisy, whose car will be more reliable?

    Anything can happen at any time, whether your stock or modded. It's all a game of chance.y suggestion is to be prepared for things to break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matsayz View Post
    I'm glad it was FINALLY spelled out. There are soooo many threads on what is or is not stage 2. I wish it was seriously just broken down to "Tune/Downpipe" and boom.
    Umm...when isn't it just broken down into this???
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    Quote Originally Posted by matsayz View Post
    I'm glad it was FINALLY spelled out. There are soooo many threads on what is or is not stage 2. I wish it was seriously just broken down to "Tune/Downpipe" and boom.
    It's always been downpipe/tune...

    Except when Vishnu attempted to market it as "Stage 1"
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    Stage 2: Could it really be that simple?

    A lot of the threads just keep going on and on about stuff. "Well you need a CAI and full exhaust too". When you come to this car from another vehicle there's a lot of info and its not all updated, especially on nasioc. Maybe for those who are more seasoned it just made sense right away but I didn't understand it for a minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matsayz View Post
    A lot of the threads just keep going on and on about stuff. "Well you need a CAI and full exhaust too". When you come to this car from another vehicle there's a lot of info and its not all updated, especially on nasioc. Maybe for those who are more seasoned it just made sense right away but I didn't understand it for a minute.
    Check out these simple map notes.

    https://static.cobbtuning.com/cobbtu...-13+Intake.pdf

    You don't need an intake, but you do need a TBE for stage 2.
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    Re: Stage 2: Could it really be that simple?

    My foot tells me it makes a huge difference. Just installed cntracing downpipe & tp map. Only drove around a bit but much quicker spool time, and a lot more grunt. Definitely sets you back in your seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    It's always been downpipe/tune...
    In defense of newcomers, ebr0t's original engine performance sticky probably needs a good edit, to bring it up-to-date and make it more concise. One section says "what are these stages all about?", and mentions only a turboback exhaust (dp + catback), while the Cobb section right after it adds in a map. Then you start wading through the extensive mod lists of people here that still consider themselves Stage 2, and I can see where it might get a little weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubiEj255 View Post
    Check out these simple map notes.

    https://static.cobbtuning.com/cobbtu...-13+Intake.pdf

    You don't need an intake, but you do need a TBE for stage 2.
    this was asked on the cobb forum and for cobb's OTS maps, you need a full 3" TBE to get maximum gains. but cobb's own peeps said a downpipe is all you need.

    i'm protuned with a Cobb intake + box and cobb dp. i had issues with their OTS maps beyond stage 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRXchet View Post
    this was asked on the cobb forum and for cobb's OTS maps, you need a full 3" TBE to get maximum gains. but cobb's own peeps said a downpipe is all you need.

    i'm protuned with a Cobb intake + box and cobb dp. i had issues with their OTS maps beyond stage 1.

    YMMV
    That's odd. I guess it's hit or miss. You should've contact Cobb if you used their products; followed their map notes to a "tee" and still had problems with their OTS maps. Either way, a protune is better. Can't go wrong there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoebeusFenix View Post
    My foot tells me it makes a huge difference. Just installed cntracing downpipe & tp map. Only drove around a bit but much quicker spool time, and a lot more grunt. Definitely sets you back in your seat.
    That's what I did with both my WRX and STi...Invidia downpipe and TP tune FTW. It makes a world of difference doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubiEj255 View Post
    That's odd. I guess it's hit or miss. You should've contact Cobb if you used their products; followed their map notes to a "tee" and still had problems with their OTS maps. Either way, a protune is better. Can't go wrong there.
    For the older GD models, Cobb NEVER required a full TBE for the stage 2 tune. You have to understand the dynamics of the car and what is done in the stage 2 tune. Only a DP is necessary to accomplish, but a full 3" exhaust will only help.
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    Re: Stage 2: Could it really be that simple?

    Quote Originally Posted by bbrock171 View Post
    That's what I did with both my WRX and STi...Invidia downpipe and TP tune FTW. It makes a world of difference doesn't it?
    Heck yes it does. I can't wait to get it out to our local test & tune night. I had a 04 wrx that i squeaked a few 13.8 runs out of, very excited to see what a proper tune will accomplish.

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    I have a tsudo Turbo back exhaust... The quad tip catback portion of the exhaust is hard to find, but is possible, and the down pipe I purchased off ebay for 180 bucks... With the tsudo dp mounted to the stock catback, I gained 42whp with the accesport stage 2 93 map... It will run you 595+180+35, so around 800 to go stage 2 from stock... The dp install is very easy if you have some jacks, and the accesport you could probably pick up form ebay or craigslist for 400-500...

    heres how the tsudo looks on mine, and heres a link to how it sounds... 2011 Subaru WRX - Tsudo Quad Tip Exhaust - YouTube

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