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This is a discussion on FMIC, when are they needed? within the Engine Modifications forums, part of the Tech & Modifying & General Repairs category; Originally Posted by SubiEj255 How is fitment with FMIC's? Depends what you get. Some will remove the front crash beams, ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubiEj255 View Post
    How is fitment with FMIC's?
    Depends what you get. Some will remove the front crash beams, some won't. Some allow retaining of fog lights, some won't. Almost all if not all require an SRI or CAI, as opposed to the stock airbox. And you will have to cut up your bumper to fit it.
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    Turbo XS. I seen that. Does the fog lights have to be removed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie13 View Post
    Depends what you get. Some will remove the front crash beams, some won't. Some allow retaining of fog lights, some won't. Almost all if not all require an SRI or CAI, as opposed to the stock airbox. And you will have to cut up your bumper to fit it.
    So a TMIC is better and "safer" huh? Couldn't I make more power with a FMIC?
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    I had to switch to Hella foglights with my TurboXS FMIC on a 2002 WRX sedan..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubiEj255 View Post
    Turbo XS. I seen that. Does the fog lights have to be removed?
    Well I believe the answer is right there... call TurboXS and ask.
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    I was saying I seen that the crash beam with have to be removed. I will keep it simple and go with a TMIC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubiEj255 View Post
    So a TMIC is better and "safer" huh? Couldn't I make more power with a FMIC?
    You technically could, but at what risk?

    Safety can be diminished obviously...but you also usually sacrifice spool time due to the time needed to pressurize the larger core and all the piping of the FMIC. Plus, 8 out of 10 tuners can't adequately replicate the same kind of airflow on a dyno, that you'd see in real world driving conditions, so they may not even get the best numbers when tuning. So hit or miss when it comes to those, plus they aren't needed til at least 20G turbo-sizes are considered, and even then, a lot of TMICs are bigger and efficient enough that you can still use them very well with large turbos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie13
    Plus, 8 out of 10 tuners can't adequately replicate the same kind of airflow on a dyno, that you'd see in real world driving conditions, so they may not even get the best numbers when tuning.
    It has little/nothing to do with the tuner, and most/all to do with the dyno. The kind of setup that you could accurately replicate real-world conditions is too much overhead for most shops to take on. This is why you do much of the WOT tuning on the dyno, then go out for a road checkup/cleanup; this allows you to limit the number of 90-100MPH pulls you do on public roadways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJ257 View Post
    Ithen go out for a road checkup/cleanup; this allows you to limit the number of 90-100MPH pulls you do on public roadways.
    No one told my tuner
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    Quote Originally Posted by zax
    No one told my tuner
    Considering the wheels come off your vehicle for the tuning session, you need a road checkup/cleanup more than one with rollers, IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    I think he meant safer in terms of crash safety Mikie
    Yes, I meant safer as far as crash safety.
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    I was getting a FMIC for future uses. I plan to go with a bigger turbo; reason I wanted a FMIC. However, if a TMIC is direct bolt on and just all around easier I will go with it. I want either an ETS or PW TM. My goal is to find out if I can nearly make the same power as I could if I had a FMIC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJ257 View Post
    It has little/nothing to do with the tuner, and most/all to do with the dyno. The kind of setup that you could accurately replicate real-world conditions is too much overhead for most shops to take on. This is why you do much of the WOT tuning on the dyno, then go out for a road checkup/cleanup; this allows you to limit the number of 90-100MPH pulls you do on public roadways.
    I meant tuner as in the place being tuned at...not the actual tuner smart guy. I wasn't clear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie13
    I meant tuner as in the place being tuned at...not the actual tuner smart guy. I wasn't clear
    Meh. A lot of tuners don't do road checkups/cleanups. That's not a complete tune, in my book...
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