Which uses a TXS knockoff core that XSPower used to sell for $325 for a full kitOriginally Posted by shadowpr
This is a discussion on FMIC, when are they needed? within the Engine Modifications forums, part of the Tech & Modifying & General Repairs category; Originally Posted by shadowpr racer x makes a fmic that allows you to keep your bumper beam. Which uses a ...
Links? I usually throw the name out there because most of the high powered, well thought out TMIC builds I see are running the Spearco.. from what I've seen the Spearco has more of a proven record than PW.
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P&L Motorsports / JrTuned 05 XTi **UPDATE** 11.1@126 24psi HTA3582 TMIC STOCK MOTOR - NASIOC
P&L Motorsports 2008 STI GT30r Kit - 495whp on a TMIC - NASIOC
IAG Performance 08 STI Rotated GT35R with TMIC (pump gas for now) - NASIOC
Bad heat soak on new Spearco TMIC - Page 2 - NASIOC
post 35, 47, 49... and a few more after that.
they make it sound like there was a big issue on 3gwrx. haven't looked though.
Now that you guys listed of a couple of them I recall hearing those names before in terms of ones that don't require cutting the crash beam, but I just couldn't think of them when I posted my last comment.
The cheapest TMIC option is to just find a used STI one instead of the stock WRX. The STI IC is a good bit larger than the OEM WRX version, so you will get a definite increase in efficiency and resulting drop in intake charge temps. If you just did that without any other mods I'd be surprised if you could measure more power even on a highly accurate dyno. Maybe you'd get a 0.1% increase average across 10 runs.
If you put a larger turbo on there though I'm sure it would outperform the stock IC, which is why the STI has a larger IC to go along with its larger turbo, higher boost, and resulting rise in air temps.
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HAHAHAAHAHA... Scott man where are you getting your info??? The VF48 on the STI is (less the outlet casting on the compressor housing) THE SAME TURBO as the VF52 on the WRX., which is why the STI has a larger IC to go along with its larger turbo, higher boost, and resulting rise in air temps.
They're exactly the same in terms of output and efficiency. STI factory tuned for more boost? Yes.. but same turbo.
But I guess it takes a real turbo guy to know that wouldn't it?
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I just don't see how tmic are as efficient as fmic tho still after all this reading
A car is only as good as its driver
Think of it this way, a FMIC has about 6 feet of 3" tubing it needs to pressurize and the intercooler itself before the manifold sees positive pressure from the turbo.
A top mount has very little tubing, and takes very little time to pressurize andfeed positive pressure to the manifold. It also is cooled by cold air from the hood scoop but is more affected by heat soak from the under hood temps while not moving.
Just think about using a leaf blower to fill an inflatable pool with air (your TMIC) then take that same leaf blower and fill up a moon bounce that kids jump in (your FMIC)... which will be ready to be played with first?
Compare this to a TMIC which has almost no ducting whatsoever, and is paired with an airscoop splitter which is designed to maximize airflow across the intercooler, and you have a very robust and efficient design. You could argue that engine temps have more of an effect on TMICs, and that's true to a certain extent, but there are plenty of measures to combat that as well (increased intercooler surface area, intercooler spray systems, heat shielding, etc).
If someone has all of the dimensions of FMIC tubing, I can use my tools at work to tell you the restrictions. It's pretty easy stuff once you've got the diameters.
You don't HAVE to use 3'' tubing tho you can use 2.5''.
Maybe that's just with these cars b/c some cars are dyned proven to get more power from a fmic
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Over what? The stock intercooler? Of course it's going to gain more power. How many cars do you know that run a TMIC? Also how much air is moving underneath the car on a dyno? There is a reason why a good dyno tuner will run the car on the street to finalize the tune. Because a dyno does not simulate real world conditions. You would actually benefit more with meth injection than a FMIC.Originally Posted by FlySense88
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