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This is a discussion on WARNING FOR BUYING CATTED DOWNPIPES!!! within the Engine Modifications forums, part of the Tech & Modifying & General Repairs category; Originally Posted by jd92677 One thing to think about when going catless, besides the environmental impact, which is obvious, is ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jd92677 View Post
    One thing to think about when going catless, besides the environmental impact, which is obvious, is that it is against federal EPA regulation to knowingly remove the catalytic converters from a vehicle. I believe the fine is up to $50k now for a service center that removes it and $15k for the owner of the vehicle. For me, that's enough to go catted.
    and you can still make big power with a cat. converter; all my previous build (minus the diesels) have been catted. Albeit larger 3" or so, but at least they were still cat-equipped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jd92677
    One thing to think about when going catless, besides the environmental impact, which is obvious, is that it is against federal EPA regulation to knowingly remove the catalytic converters from a vehicle. I believe the fine is up to $50k now for a service center that removes it and $15k for the owner of the vehicle. For me, that's enough to go catted.
    You're still tampering with emission control devices and breaking that same statute
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJ257 View Post
    You're still tampering with emission control devices and breaking that same statute
    True... I have stock exhaust on my car and plan on keeping it that way (I'm more interested in the environmental impact than the fine). But given a choice, at least have a cat on there.

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    it's kinda like running off-road diesel. "if you get caught, it's like $1K-5K gal. on the first offense. some have been dealt a $10K fine first time..


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    Quote Originally Posted by jd92677 View Post
    (I'm more interested in the environmental impact than the fine).
    then you shoulda bought a Prius or Volt jk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    and you can still make big power with a cat. converter; all my previous build (minus the diesels) have been catted. Albeit larger 3" or so, but at least they were still cat-equipped.
    Subaru themselves agree. Their cars that compete for the world championship (and even those Subarus that won, way back when...) were, are, and always will be catted.

    In fact, even when Subaru lose the world championship (as they've done repeatedly) they lose to a car that is catted.

    All WRC cars are catted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    then you shoulda bought a Prius or Volt jk
    One step ahead man...Wife drives a Prius, registered to purchace the first wave of Nissan Leafs!

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    I read an interesting tidbit somewhere...every one Prius is nullified by a catless WRX or STI out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    How would a catless car pass emissions in CA, given the visual test?...
    under table emission test if you know places who'd do it for you. otherwise it won't pass the test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    and you can still make big power with a cat. converter; all my previous build (minus the diesels) have been catted. Albeit larger 3" or so, but at least they were still cat-equipped.
    is it illegal for dealer to sell car without cat conv.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRXMIT View Post
    is it illegal for dealer to sell car without cat conv.?
    Yes, I just purchased a catless Wrx last month and the dealer had to buy me a brand new factory downpipe with catalytic converters.. I can't run it since the vehicle is tuned for stage 2 so I accepted the check to "buy it myself"


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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    How would a catless car pass emissions in CA, given the visual test?...
    i used to cut the heat shields off my stock DP and weld it on my catless DP. when they look it looks like a cats on

    opps been done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    then you shoulda bought a Prius or Volt jk
    funny you bring that up. id bet money running say my car catless would save the environment MORE then buying a Prius!!!

    the nickel used to make the battery in the prius is mined in Canada. then thoughs HUGE tanker ships take it to Europe to be refined, then it goes to China to become a powder, then to Japan to be put into the battery. the diesel fuel needed to truck and ship just that nickel is 1000 times worse then just me driving 20k a year. that trips like 20k but a ships motor gets like .01MPG

    plus you could buy a civic and save $7000
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    then you shoulda bought a Prius or Volt jk
    Whats bad that no one thinks about with that solution is that the car doesn't produce the emissions.. but the coal power plant that fires the electrical grid DOES still produce the emissions.

    So effectively.. buying a electric car doesn't help the environment any at all..it just shifts the carbon footprint off to somewhere else. Its like wiping up spilled water with your bare hand. Moves it around but doesn't fix the problem.

    Cats aren't evil.. may as well run one or not change the exhaust. Besides as EJ257 mentioned.. even with a catted dp you're still breaking the law because you removed the OEM equipment designed and approved to work on that specific application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangostick View Post
    Whats bad that no one thinks about with that solution is that the car doesn't produce the emissions.. but the coal power plant that fires the electrical grid DOES still produce the emissions.

    So effectively.. buying a electric car doesn't help the environment any at all..it just shifts the carbon footprint off to somewhere else. Its like wiping up spilled water with your bare hand. Moves it around but doesn't fix the problem.
    There are other ways to make electricity than burning coal. Over its lifetime, even using coal to power the grid, a cumbustion engine vehicle pollutes ten fold what an electric car will, if not more, so while it doesnt eliminate the burning of fossil fuels (unless of course, you are generating your own electricity, which is how I will be charging my leaf), it drastically reduces your carbon footprint.

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