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This is a discussion on *Video* Nitrous Prelude VS WRX within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; Originally posted by SobeWRX He can't win if he races from a stop...his only chance is to race from a ...

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    Originally posted by SobeWRX


    He can't win if he races from a stop...his only chance is to race from a roll so thats what he does.
    a 30 mph roll is defanitely not a wrx's strength, and he took advantage of that good for him.
    Yeah, interesting. "He can't win if he races from a stop." That's known in drag racing as being "slower".
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    Is that 14.4 time a G-Tech time?
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    I can't wait till he tries to race a new vette.

    It looks to me like he punched it before the WRX and got a jump and the WRX is reeling him in (even with a not so good driver) when the film stops. Preludes are ghey.

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    Originally posted by smokey
    Let me give you all a warning...don't go over there and start **** because it won't get you anywhere. One of wordie's buddies went over to ClubRSX and posted a kill of a Type S and all hell broke loose.

    Its not worth it. There is always one car you can take down in a group, assuming you find a bad enough driver. He's running 14s which means any of you good driver's would beat him stock. He doesn't have to be a good driver, he drives a sportshift or something like that. And that isn't inflammatory, that's the truth. The driver error is almost completely taken out of the equation...I'm not calling autos puss or anything like that, but the truth is they are easier to drive.

    For your sake and for your cars, I'd say "let it go" because we all know for 100% that most STOCK WRX's with a decent driver will beat that 'Lude...don't give the fellas the satisfaction of knowing they got to you - I've seen what it can do. The fact is, most of you aren't stock so it isn't even worth your time.

    Also, notice how he's never (or rarely) posted a loss...I'm only saying this because when you react, it gives them the power they are looking for.
    It's true. I was one of the few that actually tried to represent the WRX but all I get is bashings after bashings. Some of these guys are so egoistic that they won't even bother to understand your point at all even though the points are pretty obvious.

    Just keep in mind that alot of these guys actually like the thought of being able to flame and enjoy doing it.
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    KJ0813, Just cause he didn't want to race a WRX from a stop doesn't mean he is slower, it doesn't mean he cheats, it doesn't mean anything negative. It means he would rather play to his strengths. Each car has its different strengths. LEt me use a basketball analogy. If you asked both Larry Bird and Dominic Wilkins to go head to head in either a dunk contest or a three point shooting contest, which do you think each would choose? Obviously Bird would choose the three point shooting contest because he is one of the best shooters ever. However, if you were to ask Wilkins, he would obviously choose a dunk contest because there has never been another person who could dunk like him. Now both of these guys are among the 50 greatest players and were simply amazing players. Neither one would be wrong in choosing his strength. I don't think the guy with the prelude did anything wrong, he knew that the WRX would have a huge advantage if he raced from a stop. He tried to even it out by racing from a roll. Just give the guy credit for having a really fast Prelude. They are nice cars and he obviously did a nice job with his.

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    Originally posted by 2001S4
    KJ0813, Just cause he didn't want to race a WRX from a stop doesn't mean he is slower, it doesn't mean he cheats, it doesn't mean anything negative. It means he would rather play to his strengths. Each car has its different strengths. LEt me use a basketball analogy. If you asked both Larry Bird and Dominic Wilkins to go head to head in either a dunk contest or a three point shooting contest, which do you think each would choose? Obviously Bird would choose the three point shooting contest because he is one of the best shooters ever. However, if you were to ask Wilkins, he would obviously choose a dunk contest because there has never been another person who could dunk like him. Now both of these guys are among the 50 greatest players and were simply amazing players. Neither one would be wrong in choosing his strength. I don't think the guy with the prelude did anything wrong, he knew that the WRX would have a huge advantage if he raced from a stop. He tried to even it out by racing from a roll. Just give the guy credit for having a really fast Prelude. They are nice cars and he obviously did a nice job with his.
    Good analogy. I tried giving one similar to that one but I guess I didn't do it as well as you did hehe.

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    I do realize that it is just my opinion. Sorry, but in my book, racing from a roll is cheesy. Takes all the driver's skill (well, most of it anyway) completely out of the equation. The real skill in a drag is launching. Remove that, and it's just a couple of guys driving fast next to each other. No real skill is getting tested. That is my problem with the whole thing.

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    Originally posted by KJ0813
    The real skill in a drag is launching.

    Again, my 2 cents...
    real skill is in the twisties.

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    There is no such thing as REAL RACING. Everyone has their own personal likes and tastes. Saying that it takes driver skill to race from a stop is not always true. How about racing a WRX vs. a 2003 Mustang Cobra from a stop. Doesn't it take a lot more skill to launch the mustang properly? The only thing you have to avoid in the WRX is bogging down. In the Mustang, you have to make sure you don't go sideways and burn all of your rubber. So in that instance, you would not need any skill to race your WRX, at least not compared to the guy next to you.

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    racing from a stop is a much more legitament comparison. by rolling from 30 the prelude is deep into his vtec in 1st, while the rex was at the bottom of 2nd, so it wasn't really fair for the rex...if they went from 40 it probably would have been the opposite.

    the point is the prelude guy knows his strength's and since he apparently dictates the terms of the race, he sets them to favor him. this allows him to beat cars that are faster than him...

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    "I didn't want to even race the stupid ass car... but PEOPLE ASK TO SEE IT. "
    OMG... can't believe he said that...

    If he runs 14.3 sec 0-100mph, he should be able to beat stock WRX hands down. Stock WRX runs around 17 sec 0-100mph. His time could be off too since he used a wrist watch to get the time. What has he done to his car? Auto Prelude runs best high 7s 0-60mph.

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    I believe he had a head start too... WRX driver must keep the RPM high and slide the clutch in order to get a good launch in rolling race. Think he sucks...

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    Wow, didn't mean to start off too hot a conversation here. To answer everyone...

    Trypsin - no twisties on a drag 1/4 (at least I hope not!), and that's all I was talking about for this example. That seemed to be what the guy in that video was trying to do. But I agree - autocrossers, F1 guys, and rally guys are some of the most talented all-around drivers in the world. Twisties are a kick in the head! I do autocross from time to time, and have even been in a few rallies! Those were some of the best times I have ever had behind the wheel...

    2001S4 - there is no such thing as real racing? Wow, good one. Bet some of the pros would be surprised. I tried to tell you all that it was my OPINION that racing from a roll is CHEESY. I think it is. Period. The quarter mile doesn't lie - that's why it is the standard measurement of straight-line acceleration and speed in the auto world. Not "racing from a roll", but real from-a-dead-stop racing.

    Of course different cars launch differently - that's part of the game. How well you know your car has everything to do with RT's and 60' times. Does it take more skill to launch a 2003 Cobra? Possibly, I haven't driven one yet. But I also wouldn't say that just any idiot can launch truly well in a WRX, either. It all takes practice. But ANY of that takes alot more skill than just mashing the pedal at 30-40 MPH or more. Race from a roll completely removes the driver from the equation, so I'd ask again, exactly what are you proving there? Because it isn't driving skill, that's for sure. I guess that's fine if that's the kind of "racing" you're into.

    You may not share my views. Fine. Hell, some people really liked Yugos. But the racers I hang out with at the track always get a kick out of the rice boy "race you from a roll" thing. It just seems to me like a chesy way to try and get a win. The 1/4 mile is a fairly complete package - testing launches, torque, and higher-end speed all in one run. What's wrong with that? Fact is, a whole lot of people talk a whole lot of crap, and then when it really gets down to it, are actually afraid to go to the strip and put it in numbers. Why? Because numbers on the 1/4 mile don't lie. Lots of people say they have fast cars. But to go to the strip and find out that they may actually be far less fast (or much worse drivers) that they think they are could be devastating to them. So they don't go, or if they do show and do poorly (which most people will until they realize there's alot more to it than they thought), they never tell anyone about it or never come back. I've seen this many times over the years. I think that this is largely where that kind of rice-boy smack talking and these cheesy forms of "racing" come from.

    In short, you wanna race someone and put up insulting videos of the race on the internet? Fine. But do it at the strip. Test driver vs. driver. Skill vs. skill. Let the numbers on the board at the end of your run do the talking.
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    I understand your views. However, if you want to test driver vs. driver, then rent two EXACTLY ALIKE cars and race them. Racing a Corvette Z06 vs. a Ford Probe (just an example) really isn't testing driver skills too much, now is it. When you race on the streets, track, autocross, just about any race, driver skill is not the only factor. The cars themselves play a HUGE role in who wins. I don't care if you are the best driver in the world, if you are driving a stock 1986 Ford Escort, you are NOT beating a Corvette Z06 with a moderately good driver. And you know what, that Escort has it's own strengths. It doesn't cost a lot, cheap to fix, good gas mileage, low insurance. So EVERYTHING has an advantage and a disadvantage, whether it is in racing or not.

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    yea twisties are fun, drag racing is cool also, a point to make not really in response to anyone in particular, notice that CART starts form a roll, for safety and to have all of the cars running, if you look at F1 not all drivers always make it on the start, so i would say the starting from a stop is for sure a test of driver skill. Any turbo car from a roll has a disadvantage vs. N/A IMO, thats without a Nitrous shot for spool up. My miata will jump my rex from a slow roll for about 10' and its slow as all get out.

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