I mean common.. I owned a Z and once in a while I check out my old forum and I just can't take these guys 'KILL stories " anymore.. they are ridiculouse... Z kills e46 M3 , My z killed a C5 ect.. but there have been many many treads on the Sti vs Z stock for stock and from a roll being a drivers race... from 60-150 mph going ot the Z.. I had a track pac with Borla headers and honestly whenI traded it for my STi and rememeber saying to myself .. wow!! this car feels soooo much faster and that was when my Sti was bone stock too.. I don't rememebr what thet feels like anymore..lol anyways maybe it's true but do you STOCK sti owners find that a Z can take you from a roll? Also .. what # Stage WRX is equal to a stock STi.. ?