350z vs sti Poll

[BrianH]

I walk z's.

[fastwrx135]

I walk z's.

You sure they weren't parked??

[BrianH]

100%

like a cat toying with a mouse.

[snowcat]

TWIN TURBO 350Zs ARE THE SICKEST !!!


Someone told me there is one in CT that has 900+ RWHP!


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I know there are 1000hp Supra's already out there, etc., but dang if you've got 900hp how do you ever get it to hook up?

-snowcat

[Mr_Ginzo]

i'm very sure an STI can beat a 350z, my friend has an old 5.0 (o/r h-pipe, underdrivepullys, header, intake, shortshifter) and he beats 350z's like its his job, and i know an STI can beat his car. i think a lightly modded wrx vs stock 350z would be a good race.

[SOUTHPAW]

my friend has an old 5.0 (o/r h-pipe, underdrivepullys, header, intake, shortshifter) and he beats 350z's like its his job, and i know an STI can beat his car. i think a lightly modded wrx vs stock 350z would be a good race.

SO THATS ALL HE HAD, GINZO?!?!?


I heard he was talking sh!t about my rex. I ATE STi's FOR FCUKING BRAKFAST!!!
Did he even know how much power my rex was putting down?!


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[YBNormal07]

Stock for stock, STi vs. 350z is a drivers race. I have seen a few stock STi's run low-mid 14's all day. But both drivers being equal, the STi will win from a dig. From a roll its pretty much whoever hits the gas first. The Z and Sti dyno about the same, so how can anybody be so confident in deciding who's faster from a roll?? Last i checked, the STi had 300 crank hp and the Z had 287hp. Factor in the little power loss from the AWD in the STi at highway speeds and i would say both cars are just about the same.

In my experience, even if the Z hits the gas first from a roll, the initial surge from the STi will put it at least 2 lengths up pretty quickly. Above 80 or so, the Z will only be slowly walked, but it will get walked. They are gorgeous, but they aren't equal to an STi from a dig or roll, regardless of what the numbers say. Don't forget the torque, which is a factor even from a roll. The STi hits full torque at almost a grand lower than the Z. Not one to bench race, but here are some numbers:

03 350Z track model vs 04 STi
0-30 mph 2.01 s 1.42 s
0-40 mph 3.18 s 2.49 s
0-50 mph 4.23 s 3.39 s
0-60 mph 5.38 s 4.88 s
0-70 mph 7.33 s 6.19 s
0-80 mph 9.01 s 8.19 s
0-90 mph 11.49 s 10.09 s
0-100 mph 13.94 s 12.49 s
0-110 mph 16.97 s 15.88 s
0-120 mph 21.47 s 19.53 s
0-130 mph 26.56 s 24.62 s
0-140 mph 34.31 s 33.44 s
0-150 mph 53.08 s 50.05 s

[SonicYellowWRX]

My point exactly! Stock for stock the Z isnt much... throw $2000 in mods at both cars and the Z is even farther behind... but throw enough money to twin turbo the Z and squeeze that 900hp out of it and where is the STi? Probably blown up or barely touching the 500whp point. Two different worlds when talking about mod potential... keep in mind the Z is the base for the new Skyline GTR... and I cant see Nissan disgracing the car by making it have any less potential.

BTW, the Skyline GTR is pretty tame in stock form as well... but we all know what it can do when fully unleashed...

[SOUTHPAW]

but throw enough money to twin turbo the Z and squeeze that 900hp out of it and where is the STi?....

Did I mention he supposedly spent over $100,000 for this outcome...?


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[Digitalfiend]

Yeah, a TT kit on a 350Z does not automatically give you 900whp. Most are pushing 450-480whp and that is probably nearing the limit of the engine without changing a few things.

Honestly, I don't see the point in turbocharging a Z. I would rather spend the extra cash for a Z06 and modify it. You get a 12 sec car stock, can be a 10-11 sec daily driven car, and has the goods to kick ass around a track too. If you want to just drag, why not go the Cobra or GTO route.

The Z is great for what it is (I almost bought one a few years ago) but it isn't the best platform for building a drag car. Then again, there are much better platforms than the STi for drag racing too.

[YBNormal07]

Did I mention he supposedly spent over $100,000 for this outcome...?


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Yeah...I was going to mention that anyway, so good thing you did. If I remember correctly, just to get mid 400 HP numbers out of a Z takes about 15K. Other than for those that have blown a block or 2, or maybe ESX, I can't think of anyone that has that kind of cash into an STi yet. I do know that we can get that much out for way less than 15K...probably closer to 7K (if you also want reliability). What would be tempting is to pick up a Z in a few years when the dip around 10-15K and then slap a twin T system on it. By then it should be at a more reasonable cost. Of course, who knows where the development of the STi will be then too.

[BrianH]

[Digitalfiend]

[V8killer2pt5]

To the person posting acceleration numbers for the Z and Sti....KUDOS! People forget that when talking about racing from a roll / dig. Hp and Trq are not the only things that go into acceleration and speed, also a large factor gear box ratios. A more useful figure would be initial acceleration times for a certain gear vs initial speed. I have beaten 6 Z's with not a loss yet, not to say it won't happen. Each time it has never been hard, yes I might be a better driver but the wins have been easy. I have a chart showing what the Sti vs M3 Roll on gear vs speed / time equates to.>

M3 - STi Also my stock dyno 245hp - 258lbs @wheels
3rd gear: The Z is a great car but apples vs oranges.
50-70 2.8 sec 2.2 sec
60-80 2.9 sec 2.6 sec

4th gear:
50-70 4.2 sec 2.5 sec
60-80 4.1 sec 2.7 sec
70-90 4.0 sec 3.1 sec
80-100 4.2 sec 3.6 sec

5th gear:
50-70 5.6 sec 3.3 sec
60-80 5.3 sec 3.3 sec
70-90 5.3 sec 3.4 sec
80-100 5.5 sec 3.7 sec
90-110 5.7 sec 4.4 sec
110-130 7.3 sec 6.6 sec

6th gear:
50-70 8.1 sec 5.1 sec
60-80 7.8 sec 4.6 sec
70-90 7.6 sec 4.9 sec
80-100 7.8 sec 4.8 sec
90-110 8.4 sec 5.2 sec
100-120 9.1 sec 5.8 sec

[Silver04Sti]

To the person posting acceleration numbers for the Z and Sti....KUDOS! People forget that when talking about racing from a roll / dig. Hp and Trq are not the only things that go into acceleration and speed, also a large factor gear box ratios. A more useful figure would be initial acceleration times for a certain gear vs initial speed. I have beaten 6 Z's with not a loss yet, not to say it won't happen. Each time it has never been hard, yes I might be a better driver but the wins have been easy. I have a chart showing what the Sti vs M3 Roll on gear vs speed / time equates to.>

M3 - STi Also my stock dyno 245hp - 258lbs @wheels
3rd gear: The Z is a great car but apples vs oranges.
50-70 2.8 sec 2.2 sec
60-80 2.9 sec 2.6 sec

4th gear:
50-70 4.2 sec 2.5 sec
60-80 4.1 sec 2.7 sec
70-90 4.0 sec 3.1 sec
80-100 4.2 sec 3.6 sec

5th gear:
50-70 5.6 sec 3.3 sec
60-80 5.3 sec 3.3 sec
70-90 5.3 sec 3.4 sec
80-100 5.5 sec 3.7 sec
90-110 5.7 sec 4.4 sec
110-130 7.3 sec 6.6 sec

6th gear:
50-70 8.1 sec 5.1 sec
60-80 7.8 sec 4.6 sec
70-90 7.6 sec 4.9 sec
80-100 7.8 sec 4.8 sec
90-110 8.4 sec 5.2 sec
100-120 9.1 sec 5.8 sec

What year M3 or did you mean to say Z on this? If its a newer M3 I'd be shocked to see the sti putting that much of a gap on it. Can you clarify?