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This is a discussion on Evo MR or STI within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; stock EVO...do those exsist????? sorry but it doesn't matter either way.... go for what you want.. you make the payment... ...

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    stock EVO...do those exsist?????

    sorry but it doesn't matter either way.... go for what you want.. you make the payment... not anybody else.... i bought the evo because it was 6k cheaper than the STI ..if they were the same price it really would have made things harder...

    the 4G63 is a battle proven engine... that take damn good to mods.... im happy with my car... thats all i can tell you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MengHang
    Depends if you are planning to keep it stock?

    If yes, then buy the cheaper of the two!

    If NOT, then STI all the way. The EVO 5 speed tranny will go out way faster,
    than the STI 6 speed tranny.
    The standard EVO 5 speed is bullet proof. The clutch is a POS, but the tranny itself is much more rugged than the DSM 5 speed tranny or the glass 5 speed from the standard WRX.

    Also, he is talking about the EVO MR that has the 6 speed, not the 5 speed.

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    Fifth Gear, on Speed, had a feature on STI v Evo this week. This is an old British show, but as they get the cars much earlier than we do some of the comments are close to our experience. They compared the Evo FQ300, which has the 6-speed and active diff, with the STI PPP, which (although the EJ20 engine) has been breathed on by Prodrive to give 300hp. They basically concluded that STI has better brakes, gearbox and interior, but understeers, while the Evo handles better and looks sharper, but has a rubbery box and the brakes feel "wooden" and fade. Also note; this Evo is the British version with 300hp motor and not exactly equivalent with US Evo or the MR as described in the pre-release stories, which may suffer in power/speed comparison with the STI.

    Program is repeated this Thurs (9/23) at 6.30 AM Eastern and Sat (9/25) at 6.00 AM Eastern

    Also, afpdl, I have to take issue with your comment: "The 03 us evo will probably be bit more of a drivers car then the mr, the addition of computer controlled active diffs tends to numb up the experiance a bit and more is left up to the car not the driver." I think every reviewer has come to the opposite conclusion, citing the active center diff as one of the things that improves the handling and sets the Evo apart from the opposition (including STI). Remember that the reason US Evos don't have it isn't because Mitsu want you to have more of a "driver's car" but because it's expensive. It's addition in the Evo MR is one of the reasons that the MR's estimated price is >35K. But if that seems steep, consider that the cars featured on Fifth Gear cost $48,400 (STI) and $51,995 (Evo) at today's exchange rate!!

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    I would pick the Evo MR over the the Sti even though i own a subaru. The MR is mean looking stock already and crazy fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perfusionista
    I think every reviewer has come to the opposite conclusion, citing the active center diff as one of the things that improves the handling and sets the Evo apart from the opposition (including STI).
    I did not say it didnt make it handle better I said it would be less of a drivers car as the driver will have to put more trust in the car. Around the world the standard evo has been called the better drivers car as it feels more direct and responsive but it is far far from the fastest of the evos. Watch other episodes of fifth gear or top gear with the fq evos in many they mention that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perfusionista
    Fifth Gear, on Speed, had a feature on STI v Evo this week. This is an old British show, but as they get the cars much earlier than we do some of the comments are close to our experience. They compared the Evo FQ300, which has the 6-speed and active diff, with the STI PPP, which (although the EJ20 engine) has been breathed on by Prodrive to give 300hp. They basically concluded that STI has better brakes, gearbox and interior, but understeers, while the Evo handles better and looks sharper, but has a rubbery box and the brakes feel "wooden" and fade. Also note; this Evo is the British version with 300hp motor and not exactly equivalent with US Evo or the MR as described in the pre-release stories, which may suffer in power/speed comparison with the STI.

    Program is repeated this Thurs (9/23) at 6.30 AM Eastern and Sat (9/25) at 6.00 AM Eastern

    Also, afpdl, I have to take issue with your comment: "The 03 us evo will probably be bit more of a drivers car then the mr, the addition of computer controlled active diffs tends to numb up the experiance a bit and more is left up to the car not the driver." I think every reviewer has come to the opposite conclusion, citing the active center diff as one of the things that improves the handling and sets the Evo apart from the opposition (including STI). Remember that the reason US Evos don't have it isn't because Mitsu want you to have more of a "driver's car" but because it's expensive. It's addition in the Evo MR is one of the reasons that the MR's estimated price is >35K. But if that seems steep, consider that the cars featured on Fifth Gear cost $48,400 (STI) and $51,995 (Evo) at today's exchange rate!!
    All '05 EVO's get the active center diff. The only upgrades on the MR are the aluminum roof, vortex generators at the trailing edge of the roof, 6 speed transmission, and different shocks and wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourdoor
    All '05 EVO's get the active center diff. The only upgrades on the MR are the aluminum roof, vortex generators at the trailing edge of the roof, 6 speed transmission, and different shocks and wheels.

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    Do they also get a limited slip diff in the front? What will the standard evos cost?
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    Test drive them both because all your opinions will differ.

    The evo handles better than a STi stock, and thats a fact. The evo can be made faster with less money; the evo has a clutch that will have to be replaced if you drag your car a good amount.

    The tuning potential of the STi is limited on the stock turbo. A stage II vishnu STi ran a 11.8 @ the track recently, which is darn impressive. The fit and finish is better in the subbie, and the boxer rumble is kick-ass.

    I personally would purchase the 05 evo because it is easier to extract power from the stock turbo, handles better, and is just more fun to drive than an STi.

    You can't go wrong with either car, good luck in your decision.


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    Quote Originally Posted by afpdl
    Do they also get a limited slip diff in the front? What will the standard evos cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetrcrm5
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    And yes, they get the limited slip front diff.

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    The Evo MR isn't worth the money for what you get over a regular 05 model. The only added bits over an 05 RS are the 6-speed, Bilstein shocks, and the forged BBS wheels.
    The MSRP is around 35k, almost 10k more than an RS . The 05 Evos have a slightly bigger exhaust housing on the turbo, front LSD, and ACD, so they should perform substantially better than the earlier models. Anyway, forget about what the magazines say- drive both cars and see what you think. I drove both and found them evenly matched stock for stock, but the Evo had a little bit more utility (bigger backseats) and a much better aftermarket, so I went for it.
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    Like I said the RS looks like a way way better buy.
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    The backseat is sooo much roomier in an evo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilivas
    The backseat is sooo much roomier in an evo.
    Wait...our cars have back seats????
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollinThunder
    hey guys I currently own a mustang but will b trading it in cuz I need a car that I can drive all year round...so I was wondering if u guys could help me out...in ur opinion which is the better car the evo mr or the sti...what r the pro's and con's of both cars...like I said I really need ur guys opinions b/c I dont kno that much about both cars...thanks in advance
    All i have to say......EVO MR
    ANd its true there is not much more on the MR, if budget is a problem get an 05Evo
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