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This is a discussion on Forester XT vs. BMW M3 within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; Originally posted by redwag So then the STI 2.5L turbo is a modified Xt 2.5 turbo which is a super-modified ...

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    Originally posted by redwag
    So then the STI 2.5L turbo is a modified Xt 2.5 turbo which is a super-modified 2.5RS engine - a somewhat step brother to the 2.5 from a TS Wagon

    basically. they are all stem from the base subaru flat-4.
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    Originally posted by FrankW
    basically. they are all stem from the base subaru flat-4.
    If you were as smart as you think you are then you probably wouldn't own a Mercedes.
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    Originally posted by ihaveadent
    If you were as smart as you think you are then you probably wouldn't own a Mercedes.
    lol...yeah...I am stupid for getting a 349hp/332ft-TQ 4-door Mercedes.

    perhaps if you are smart, could you tell me what should I drive
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    Originally posted by ihaveadent
    If you were as smart as you think you are then you probably wouldn't own a Mercedes.
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    So basically FrankW likes to be a pain in the a$$ and thats about it.
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    Wow, what a disappointment. One of the first threads about the XT vs. anything and in devolves.

    I am pretty sure the XT and STI engines both share unique internals which are different from the NA 2.5L.

    Either way I love this car and the engine is so sweet.
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    The XT has the STi engine. It has different cam profile, tuned for lower torque, has the WRX intercooler, and a smaller-than-WRX turbo. It's rated at 210hp / 235lbft, but it I hear it puts out closer to 230/255.
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    aheineken,

    I heard you've driven one (FXT), what'd you think of it?

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    Originally posted by aheineken
    The XT has the STi engine. It has different cam profile, tuned for lower torque, has the WRX turbo, and a smaller-than-WRX turbo. It's rated at 210hp / 235lbft, but it I hear it puts out closer to 230/255.
    I think you meant to say "smaller-than-WRX intercooler". But, yeah I think those are the main differences, not to mention a different ECU. Regardless of the specifics, I think an XT motor can be pushed to 300hp/torque with just a little effort. The STi uppipe bolts right up, I hear. And a TBE, bigger intercooler, and a few more pounds of boost really wake things up. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any dyno graphs of modded XTs from the guys at subaruforester.com. Though, some dealerships and individuals have really beefed some of them up.
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    Originally posted by rhino738
    aheineken,

    I heard you've driven one (FXT), what'd you think of it?

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    Yeah, some guy let me drive his. That thing was pretty sweet. Pulled like a son of a ***** in first gear compared to my WRX.
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    Originally posted by Integra96
    I think you meant to say "smaller-than-WRX intercooler".
    You're right, changed it.
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    Yeah, my Forester is quick but it's not as quick as an M3. Maybe I'll get to race one from a stop sometime but I'm sure it will be able to stomp me. Those M3's are real quick both from a stop and a roll.
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    Originally posted by FrankW

    anywayz, how about this, STi 2.5 engine is a modified 2.5 turbo engine from XT. It would makes more sense anyway.
    Probably not to anyone that has been paying attention.

    The STi came out first, with a new engine. The XT (which came later) has essentially the same motor (longblock is the same part number, according to what I've read), but with different turbo and intercooler, which are smaller. Thus, only someone with a questionable grip on reality would refer to the STi motor as coming "from (the) xt"

    Thus, since it came first, the motor "came from" the STi.

    Quiz time: What is it called when you tweak a motor to add power? Right, Tuning.

    So then, what would you call it when you tweak it to tone it down?

    Correctamundo, DE-tuning

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    Originally posted by jt2
    Probably not to anyone that has been paying attention.

    The STi came out first, with a new engine. The XT (which came later) has essentially the same motor (longblock is the same part number, according to what I've read), but with different turbo and intercooler, which are smaller. Thus, only someone with a questionable grip on reality would refer to the STi motor as coming "from (the) xt"

    Thus, since it came first, the motor "came from" the STi.

    Quiz time: What is it called when you tweak a motor to add power? Right, Tuning.

    So then, what would you call it when you tweak it to tone it down?

    Correctamundo, DE-tuning

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    Sure - it can go either way - you can be right or wrong... and you're wrong.
    If you've paid attention you'd know that 1996 is the first year Subaru introduce the 2.5L 155hp flat-four. Later on they just modify the engine to get more power from it. 97 2.5L gained 10hp to 165hp.

    btw "Subaru is using a revamped version of the 2.5-liter EJ25 engine currently available in the U.S.-model Impreza 2.5RS"---Sport Compact Car magazine.

    If you read my posts instead of just quoting that one quote I said sarcastically, you'll see I was saying they all stem from the same 2.5L base engine.
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