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    I used to have an R/T... wasn't too bad around town actually... but above 80 or so they are dogs. Plus if he didn't change out his computer module, he was limited to 115.
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    A Ford Lightning (new style) with just a bigger crank pulley mod (must be a V8 thing), was running 8.1s in the 1/8 mile while I was running 8.7s with some mods. So much for the AWD advantage.
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    AWD meets INSTANT supercharged V8 TORQUE.

    I think by the end of the 1/4, most WRXs would win, but I have seen newer Lightnings run high 12s in the 1/4. In fact, I beat one once because he had to lift off twice for lack of traction (he was going sideways)!

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    Originally posted by Sherb
    A Ford Lightning (new style) with just a bigger crank pulley mod (must be a V8 thing), was running 8.1s in the 1/8 mile while I was running 8.7s with some mods. So much for the AWD advantage.

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    I raced countless lightnings when I still had my 01 SS Camaro. I have yet to loose to a lightning. Needless to say there are some fast ones out there that would rape my SS.

    I see some good points brought up on this post. Now days displacement is almost irrelavant. With forced induction, you can make any motor of any size fast. Look at the F1 motor technology, 2.5L pushing 900+ hp. Even now you dont need forced induction to make some big numbers. My car make about 98 hp per/l. The S2000 makes about 125 hp per/l. However, even with high horsepower per liter, but what about torque? Torque comes from 4 things; Engine design, displacement, forced induction and accelerated fuel (Nitro, methanol, Nitrous).

    Another thing to consider is drag. It doesnt take a rocket science major to see that the Lightning is an aerodynamic brick. The lightning may have some impressive 1/4 times, but a highway run in those trucks can be fatal if the road condition worsens. Lets face it, a truck is used to tow or carry things around, not to race with.

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    Those trucks can be made fast pretty easy. I ran one at the track the other day. We were dead even crossing the finish line. We both ran 8.40s in the 1/8 mile. Thats low 13s in the 1/4 mile.

    He had a supercharger pully - 13psi, exhaust mods, intake mods, and drag radials.

    I've been told he is slower than most Lightnings with these mods. Many can runs high 12s with these mods.

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    Originally posted by SGOSWRX
    Those trucks can be made fast pretty easy. I ran one at the track the other day. We were dead even crossing the finish line. We both ran 8.40s in the 1/8 mile. Thats low 13s in the 1/4 mile.

    He had a supercharger pully - 13psi, exhaust mods, intake mods, and drag radials.

    I've been told he is slower than most Lightnings with these mods. Many can runs high 12s with these mods.
    Im sorry but you cant guestimate 1/4 mile by seeing how fast your 1/8th mile is. Gearing and engine performance plays a huge role in determining 1/4 mile time. You can take a geared, slick down mustang and put it against BIG turbo Supra. In the 1/8th mile he may take the Supra, but in the 1/4 mile the Supra will take the mustang; catch my drift?

    One of my friend has a 01 Lightning, he has full exhaust, pullies, intake, gears, and slicks. On race gas he managed to pull a 12.80 I have yet to see another lightning pull the same time or go faster. I dont care too much for magazine times and what people "think" their cars will run with "so and so mods." If I didnt see it, I probably wont preach it.
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    Originally posted by S4_dukar

    I have yet to see another lightning pull the same time or go faster.
    Really? Try nloc.net . Great forums for lightnings. I think PSP has their lightning doing 10's w/o juice and daily driven. (I'm pretty sure they have vids of their runs). When I went to the track I saw 2 lightnings (one 2002, the other 2001) both running low 12's w/chip, intake, upper and lower pulleys, and slicks. One of my coworkers runs 11's with a 50 shot, chip, intake, pulleys, power cooler, and et streets.

    Dammit...only if someone would buy my 4runner I'd definately love to have one of these beasts.
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    I raced a 2001 or 2002 Ford Lightning tonight and kicked his butt. It was probably by about 3-4 car lenghts and I also pulled in his lane in front of him to throw some salt in the wound. He was stock as far as I could tell. I can't believe they put clear tailights on those stock. I am not stock so it wasn't really fair for him. I have a scoobysport up and down pipes, full HKS cf titanium exhaust, Injen intake, and a dyno tuned Turbo XS unichip stage 2.

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    what's all this talk about hp to weight ratios? it's not the be all end all of drag racing. i can tell you one thing the lightning has that you guys (or me) never will, ridiculous amounts of torque. they are just brutal. a guy on the shoforum.com just bought one, put under a grand in mods and ripped of a 12.6 et.

    hp is great for the open track does not guarentee a win at the strip. there are many 550 HP taurus shos out there (and some with more than that), it's still a cause for celebration when one hits the 12s without nitrous. nitrous creates torque, which our small engine cars need. the hi po vortech blown shos are challenging to get into the 12s. reason? besides massive wheelspin even with drag radials and a quaife, there's only 370 lbs of torque at 7800 rpms.

    catching one at laguna seca down the straights is another story.

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    Lightning is not that great once you reach over 100. The basic fact is that the frontal area is pretty much like a brick wall, very poor aerodynamic once you reach over triple digits. They are incredible from 0-100 and quarter mile races tho. You can light those tire up all day from the stand still.

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    Re: Re: V-8

    Originally posted by masanz1
    No replacement for displacemeent is a seriously old and invalid argument. If that was the case some of those huge diesels would be spanking us all the time. It's more a power to weight issue. The Lightning is 13lb per horsepower while the WRX is 13.7/HP. I never said that the WRX would win I just said it wouldn't get beat as bad as some of you are saying and posted some numbers to prove it.

    Some tuners, like AMG still believe in that philosophy. Can you imagine a 6.0L V8 (425 bhp) into a C-class? It's not going to happen in the US market, but it's guaranteed in the European markets. Then there's also the new 6.7L V12 availabe.

    In relevance to us, and how many people like to tune their cars for more power, it still applies, only to forced induction. Bigger is better philosophy (such as bigger turbo, higher CFM superchargers, bigger intercooler/aftercoolers, etc.). Not always true, but it depends on what kind of powerband you desire.

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    There is no replacement for displacement, simple fact... kinda... since FI pretty much fakes a bigger displacement in a smaller engine thats a blurry statement. FI in a small engine does have problems though, such as lag (unless small turbo or twin), and having to run at a higher rpm to be more efficient.

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    Originally posted by Retro
    .....lag (unless small turbo or twin), and having to run at a higher rpm to be more efficient.
    That is a case comparing superchargers: Roots Type (aka Eaton aka Positive Displacement) versus Centrifugal (a turbo is also considered to be an exhaust driven centrifugal s/c). Centrifugal type, in order to be efficient, they must be spin at higher velocities than the engine crank (thus for superchargers, a geartrain is needed to multiply the crank speeds). This is why OEM and a certain tuners (Neuspeed & TRD) uses a Roots Type supercharger, less complex.

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    I raced one last night.

    i'm stock except for grounding and 3/16ths.

    1st time from stop. messed up my launch and he staight murdered me.

    2nd time, at light on roll around 5 mph
    green, rev to 4, slip to 3.5 wind to red had him off the line.
    2nd gear still had him
    3rd gear and he comes up on me
    4th he's gone.

    I thought I did alright considering I don't even know how to drive!


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