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This is a discussion on 12.8 WRX vs Supercharged 4.6L Mustang? within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; Originally posted by dark_rex we're not. we're all happy with our results. many of our members are former DSM owners, ...

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    Re: Re: boosted 4

    Originally posted by dark_rex
    we're not. we're all happy with our results. many of our members are former DSM owners, Honda tuners, and JDM specialists. Dan (God) did have the most powerful WRX in teh states for almost a year. we're not a little lost community that has only driven WRXs as you make out. many are accomplished track, drag and autoX drivers. some own speed shops, some grew up turning wrenches and slinging OE replacements. some are total n00bs that are now installing 3 turbos a week for their friends... what did you mean by



    well, i think you should go hang out at stangnet and really get a clue on tuning b/c those guys have been tuning since 1940. they've got a lot to teach you, b/c GN's are relatively new.

    no offense, but your post wreaks of generalism, stating the obvious, and ingnorance of the mustang and the WRX.

    what exactly does:


    mean?

    is there a book long enough to identify all the totally unfounded assumptions that lie behind this statement? (and many others you made)

    HOW DOES YOUR ENGINE DEFY PHYSICS AND HAVE NO PSI LIMIT? i'd like to see you run 50psi!!!! please. if you detonate, or you blow your HG, is that not a direct function of high boost, or a lean condition created by too high boost?

    a "great tune?" wtf is that? don't come in here all high and mighty and feed us crap. i don't think you can run a chevette in ANY state of tune with high boost. what is high boost? on a stock N/A car, it's what, .8bar? what is it on a supra? a wrx? a DSM? what is the point of your entire post?

    please keep the gross generalizations and unhelpful BS to yourself. spare us the schooled veteren BS.

    i hope you bring something more from your GN tuning experience to this board than that post in the future.

    dR


    dark_rex ,

    I thank you mods for bringing us the forums but don't be so harsh. I REALLY don't think that Cleaner13 meant it like that. He comes across as a knowledgeable enthusiast (like you and I and others).

    Let's be cool man!

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    Re: 12.8 WRX vs Supercharged 4.6L Mustang?

    Originally posted by boosted 4
    Okay, here's the deal. I was at home today waiting for the HVAC technician's arrival. After he got here, we talked a little about the outside central A/C unit and that's when he asked me "so, is that your little blue car in the driveway?". I said yes and he was like "so are those gauges just for show?". I told him no, why would I have gauges "just for show"? He then said, "oh well people ask me if mine are just for show but I've got a SC'r bla bla bla". I then asked him what he had and he replied a 1996 Mustang GT with a centrifugal SC, water injection (instead of an IC), exhaust, fluidyne radiator, etc, etc.

    Afterwards, I asked him if he'd be up to run it for fun. He said, "I usually don't give Imports a chance, not that yours is that slow but mine is a SC'd Mustang". I was like "well, I've run some fast cars and have only been beat by maybe two cars, would you still be willing to give it a shot just for fun?". He was like "sure, but I'm putting down 440rwhp". I told him he'd surely take me but I've run against a 360rwhp Camaro SS and we were dead even until I shifted to 4th, so his Mustang should kill me from a roll.

    What do you guys think? I think that IF he's truly putting down 440WHP he'll hand me my ass. I'll also see if we can get it on video regardless. That way you can see what a 280+whp WRX looks like compared to a 440whp Mustang.

    This may not happen for a week or two. He said that he's got to replace his heater core.
    where u from? Sounds like a friend of mine

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    I have a friend pushing 500 HP with stock 4.6heads. And its an all motor beast. IF he hooks, you will get beat by 3-4 cars. If he dosent hook, hes going to real you in after you get a 1 car lead and walk you 1-2 cars.






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    Re: Re: Re: boosted 4

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    dark_rex ,

    I thank you mods for bringing us the forums but don't be so harsh. I REALLY don't think that Cleaner13 meant it like that. He comes across as a knowledgeable enthusiast (like you and I and others).

    Let's be cool man!

    Thanks,

    Todd
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    thank you very much man, I did not mean to come off in anyway shape or form into try to teach you guys how to do things or act like me and my car forum know everything, we are all about the same interests and its cars, I just wanted to share their years of knowledge with you guys, thank you for not taking it harshly as it might have come off and I apologize for making it look that way

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    12.8 vs stang

    I know a guy who has a 96 supercharged 4.6 stang with some other mods and he tells me he has 400 whp and ran 13.3.
    Now if my friend is telling the truth i think you got a shot from the line.I don't know maybe the guy you know meant 440 at the crank
    let us know how you did.
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    Re: boosted 4

    Originally posted by Cleaner13
    I am also almost positive that more people on your board are not subaru engineers or engineers in general or retirees from other kinds of professional sports such as drag racing or autox. Im willing to bet that more people on this board are a younger crowd then that of mine, this is not to say that you dont know anything on tuning, engineering etc, however Im willing to bet most do not have that experience. Just as general public would not.
    my problem was with you making rash generalizations w/o any support. thanks for confounding my concerns. instead of coming to a board and making a slew of assumptions, why don't you hang around and see what we're really about? we gave you the benefit of the doubt. the average age on the board is over 35 FYI, and as i said in the previous post, this is typically NOT the first car many of us have owned. many of us come from other online communities such as DSMtalk, hondatech, thecorral, ETC. just b/c the car is new, doesn't mean the drivers are. that's a really bad assumption.


    Originally posted by Cleaner13

    Where in my post did I call the mustang or wrx ignorant?
    please read more carefully. here is a direct quote of what i said.

    Originally posted by dark_rex

    no offense, but your post wreaks of generalism, stating the obvious, and ingnorance of the mustang and the WRX.
    not sure where you got that one...

    Originally posted by Cleaner13

    By the way since you have so much experience and thousands of post what does your car run? Do you know how to make a homebrew octane booster? Do you know how to make an adjustable wastegate?
    first off, i never said i was an authority but to answer your question... my car's never been dyno'd but i'm just above 200 at the wheels based on dyno pulls of cars with the same mods (diff cat back) i 'm running full exhaust w/ one cat, and an EBC w/ various settings. homebrew octane booster is typically done with toulene, which can be picked up at any hardware store in various sizes. many of our CA residents use it to bump their 91 to around 96. run a search, the mixing instructions are located in the performance forum. i do know how to make an adjustable w/g, but it's typically not feasible w/ and internal design like ours. if you're running a tial, there are a few ways to do it the most popular by welding a nut into the wastegate under the spring, then screwing a bolt throug the top of the w/g. you can adjust the bolt manually like an MBC to change the w/g spring pressure.

    good enough for you? is this quiz time? how did i do?


    Originally posted by Cleaner13

    I never said my engine or any engine has no psi limit, again you are putting words in my mouth.
    Originally posted by Cleaner13

    With the cars I deal with (TRs) we dont have a psi limit to the engine, the only thing that limits the engine in my experiences have been knock, headgaskets, or horsepower
    LOL. nice try. the only words in your mouth are your own. i didn't mis quote you. maybe you should read your own posts a little better as well as the others. if you notice, you addressed boozted, but never addressed anything in his post. same story there as well.

    don't be sorry for trying to help. be sorry for making assumptions about a club you just walked in to, and the people that make it up.

    leave what you think at the door, and come in with what you know. welcome to the club.

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    Re: Re: 12.8 WRX vs Supercharged 4.6L Mustang?

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    where u from? Sounds like a friend of mine

    Hey, I'm in Chlt, NC. Probably not too many AC techs out there w/a SC'd Mustang so maybe he's the same person.
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    1/4, 12.88 105.10 - 1/8, 8.09 85.96

    New set up = Now w/UTEC and STI Injectors

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    nope not the same person I'm from Mass and the kid live's in New Hampshire...nasty mustang

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    Just as a point of reference, I have a supercharged Mustang GT(99), making the same power level as what your friend claims. Here is my timeslip from last Saturday at Cecil county:

    R/T...0.621
    60'...1.730
    330...4.957
    1/8...7.597
    MPH...93.08
    1000..9.871
    1/4...11.776
    MPH..118.79

    Note that this isn't even my best ET. In the above run, I spun hard off the line and it was my 8th pass of the day in 90 degree heat. I raced once in 50 degree weather, and was trapping over 121 mph. I own both a WRX and Mustang, and enjoy both cars. But one thing for sure is that mustangs can be made really sick-fast. I mean, that 1/8th mile trap speed above is my WRX's 1/4 mile trap speed.
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    Originally posted by TonyG
    Just as a point of reference, I have a supercharged Mustang GT(99), making the same power level as what your friend claims. Here is my timeslip from last Saturday at Cecil county:

    R/T...0.621
    60'...1.730
    330...4.957
    1/8...7.597
    MPH...93.08
    1000..9.871
    1/4...11.776
    MPH..118.79

    Note that this isn't even my best ET. In the above run, I spun hard off the line and it was my 8th pass of the day in 90 degree heat. I raced once in 50 degree weather, and was trapping over 121 mph. I own both a WRX and Mustang, and enjoy both cars. But one thing for sure is that mustangs can be made really sick-fast. I mean, that 1/8th mile trap speed above is my WRX's 1/4 mile trap speed.
    hey r u the tony g from stangnet?? if so i met u at a mustangs unlimited show with dave "mansonozz"
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    Originally posted by CustomS10
    hey r u the tony g from stangnet?? if so i met u at a mustangs unlimited show with dave "mansonozz"
    Wrong guy, although I do post in stangnet under "TonyG", not "tony g".
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    Originally posted by TonyG
    Wrong guy, although I do post in stangnet under "TonyG", not "tony g".


    TonyG,

    Thanks for your input. Are you also on OE injectors?

    Todd
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    Old setup = BPM GT turboback, PDE up-pipe, Unichip w/custom map, cooler plugs (NGK range 7), Walbro 255LPH FP, MBC (15 PSI), and custom built turbo utilizing the 13G housing (Internals: Hitachi compressor wheel, Mitsu 15G turbine lightly clipped).

    1/4, 12.88 105.10 - 1/8, 8.09 85.96

    New set up = Now w/UTEC and STI Injectors

    1/4, ? - 1/8, ?

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    Originally posted by boosted 4
    TonyG,

    Thanks for your input. Are you also on OE injectors?

    Todd
    I'm on 42 lb injectors. I can't see how you can run 19 lb, without running out of injector. I was running dangerously lean with 30 lb injectors, back when I was at only making 366rwhp.
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    IF this guy has what he says, or rather makes the power he claims, you're in trouble. 4.11's are nasty outa the hole, especially with that kinda power, so even there I'd say you'll get schooled.

    But check this out. How many guys would do all that to their car, have 440hp (thats a metric **** ton), and not participate in any form of legal racing? I could be wrong here, but I would think if you dumped alot of time and money into your ride you'd wanna see what it could do. Most people I've run into who say "I've never been to the track but it'd probably run xx.x" are morons. They just think there car is fast. Like my boss, who swore up and down to me yesterday that his brothers stock F-150 (not a lightning) would smoke me . Where the hell do these people get their info.

    Anyway, only one way to find out if hes full of it or if hes the real deal
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    Originally posted by Simp
    How many guys would do all that to their car, have 440hp (thats a metric **** ton), and not participate in any form of legal racing?
    True


    Like my boss, who swore up and down to me yesterday that his brothers stock F-150 (not a lightning) would smoke me . Where the hell do these people get their info.
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    Your boss is a dumbass
    2002 WRBP WRX

    Old setup = BPM GT turboback, PDE up-pipe, Unichip w/custom map, cooler plugs (NGK range 7), Walbro 255LPH FP, MBC (15 PSI), and custom built turbo utilizing the 13G housing (Internals: Hitachi compressor wheel, Mitsu 15G turbine lightly clipped).

    1/4, 12.88 105.10 - 1/8, 8.09 85.96

    New set up = Now w/UTEC and STI Injectors

    1/4, ? - 1/8, ?

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