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**devilfluff** · 08-22-2006 03:25 PM

Doh...

Been a while since I looked at the inside of a rotary

**Skunkers** · 08-23-2006 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by DTR rex

Maybe not as cool, but it handles better and is MUCH MUCH more reliable. Just trying to give credit where it is due. The FD was a much better performance car but one of the most unreliable vehicles ever built once you start modding. FC's are great too. Not that fast stock, but amazing potential and much more reliable than the FD's.

The RX-8 does not outhandle an FD.

When modified, FCs are not any more reliable than FDs. Unless you're talking about the NA FC. The whole engine reliability stigma comes from the rotary engine design's inherent lack of tolerance for detonation of any sort. A strong piston engine can knock every once in a while. It's not good for the motor, and it could blow the engine if it's bad enough. But a piston engine can survive it. If a rotary engine pings even once, it'll blow an apex seal and it's rebuild time. NA rotaries (Like the old 12As, NA 13Bs, RENESIS) generally never suffer this problem and indeed will usually last 300k+ miles with regular maintainance. Once the engine is turbocharged, that's when problems start to happen. FC Turbos have the same problems. The chances of a knock event are much higher under boost. Other than that, the only other issue that makes the FD any less reliable than any other rotary is the vacuum lines for the TT system. Which should be replaced with silicone hoses as soon as you buy an FD.

**305wrxPIMP** · 08-26-2006 03:25 PM

i'll always go to the hang outs here in miami and when i ask the RX8 owners for a race they always said c'mon dog u gotta STi and well RX7 owners thats a different story.

**305wrxPIMP** · 08-26-2006 03:26 PM

i'll always go to the hang outs here in miami and when i ask the RX8 owners for a race they always said c'mon dog u gotta STi and well RX7 owners thats a different story.

**305wrxPIMP** · 08-26-2006 03:26 PM

i'll always go to the hang outs here in miami and when i ask the RX8 owners for a race they always said c'mon dog u gotta STi and well RX7 owners thats a different story.

**305wrxPIMP** · 08-26-2006 03:26 PM

i'll always go to the hang outs here in miami and when i ask the RX8 owners for a race they always said c'mon dog u gotta STi and well RX7 owners thats a different story.

**snowcat** · 09-06-2006 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by cavallino333

RX-8's are way over priced.

True - look at the price of the new MZS3 and the power of that car compared to the RX-8. RX-8 should be priced at NO MORE than $20k, period. It would be a great car and sell like hotcakes for that price.

**AngelBoy** · 09-06-2006 07:37 PM

the RX-8 will murder a MS3 in anything but a straight line, and won't even bother to spit out the bones. it also has much better steering, tranny, ride quality, looks better, and is RWD.

and i still don't see how RX-8's are overpriced. unless you can find another $27K sports car that is luxurious, seats four, does everything well, and has the most unique engine in the world.

magazine racing is for high school kids who don't have their license yet. drive an RX-8, and tell me it's not the most capable car on an auto-x or slalom this side of a Boxster.

**snowcat** · 09-06-2006 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by AngelBoy

the RX-8 will murder a MS3 in anything but a straight line, and won't even bother to spit out the bones. it also has much better steering, tranny, ride quality, looks better, and is RWD.

and i still don't see how RX-8's are overpriced. unless you can find another $27K sports car that is luxurious, seats four, does everything well, and has the most unique engine in the world.

magazine racing is for high school kids who don't have their license yet. drive an RX-8, and tell me it's not the most capable car on an auto-x or slalom this side of a Boxster.

I hear what you're saying, but I hope you can see the irony of you telling me not to dismiss a car I haven't driven by you dismissing a car you haven't driven.

**DTR rex** · 09-06-2006 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by snowcat

I hear what you're saying, but I hope you can see the irony of you telling me not to dismiss a car I haven't driven by you dismissing a car you haven't driven.

w3rd

**AngelBoy** · 09-07-2006 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by snowcat

I hear what you're saying, but I hope you can see the irony of you telling me not to dismiss a car I haven't driven by you dismissing a car you haven't driven.

don't need to drive the MPS 3; it'll have an engine mounted over the front axle, way up high, and is FWD. that automatically means steering feel won't be as good, and the 6-speed in the MPS 6 blows compared to the RX-8's. RWD > FWD. no amount of suspension tweaks or gumball tires will make up for that, especially compared to how the RX-8 is set up. not to mention the RX-8 was designed as a sports car from birth, while the MPS 3 is a modified version of my economy car. you can't even compare the two.

**Skunkers** · 09-08-2006 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by AngelBoy

don't need to drive the MPS 3; it'll have an engine mounted over the front axle, way up high, and is FWD. that automatically means steering feel won't be as good, and the 6-speed in the MPS 6 blows compared to the RX-8's. RWD > FWD. no amount of suspension tweaks or gumball tires will make up for that, especially compared to how the RX-8 is set up. not to mention the RX-8 was designed as a sports car from birth, while the MPS 3 is a modified version of my economy car. You can't even compare the two.

I wouldn't bet on it. The platform was based on the Euro Focus RS (arguably one of the best FWD cars ever). I've driven a Mazda3 twice before and I have to say I was very impressed with the handling even in the economy car. The MS3 apparently has like an 80% increase in structural rigidity and tighter suspension/tires. I won't be surprised if it pulls better slalom numbers than the RX-8.

Granted, I'd rather own an RX-8 too, but I wouldn't put down the MS3 before it comes out. The reports are only now starting to trickle in, but I've already read a review from someone that drove the car that says it feels like a FWD Evo wagon. Mazda knows handling.

**AngelBoy** · 09-08-2006 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Skunkers

I wouldn't bet on it. The platform was based on the Euro Focus RS (arguably one of the best FWD cars ever). I've driven a Mazda3 twice before and I have to say I was very impressed with the handling even in the economy car. The MS3 apparently has like an 80% increase in structural rigidity and tighter suspension/tires. I won't be surprised if it pulls better slalom numbers than the RX-8.

i know what you mean, it will probably pull in better numbers than the RX-8 in all performance categories.

maybe i'll re-phrase it this way: C & D lapped a Solstice GXP a full *two* seconds faster than the Boxster. we all know that 2 seconds is an eternity, but which car would you rather own? if you still say GXP, then we just have different preference. some people look at performance / dollar, i like to think of it as smiles / mile.

an RX-8 will lose grip before a MPS 3, but it's practically mid-engined, and RWD. you *want* to lose grip in a car like that

the MPS 3 *has* to have higher grip and slalom numbers, because if you lose grip in that thing, it will understeer like a pig, the front tires will be overwhelmed, and the fun is over.

**Skunkers** · 09-11-2006 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by AngelBoy

i know what you mean, it will probably pull in better numbers than the RX-8 in all performance categories.

maybe i'll re-phrase it this way: C & D lapped a Solstice GXP a full *two* seconds faster than the Boxster. we all know that 2 seconds is an eternity, but which car would you rather own? if you still say GXP, then we just have different preference. some people look at performance / dollar, i like to think of it as smiles / mile.
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Well yeah, I'm probably the wrong one to ask on that note. My friend and I continously have arguments where he asks me whether I'd prefer say a used FD RX-7 or Z32 TT and money to mod it or a used Porsche or M3. And I honestly usually pull for the "inferior" car in the knowledge I'd have a better performing machine. I don't care at all about status or "luxury" in a sports car.

I'd probably take a Sky Redline (Don't like the Solstice) over a Boxster if it outperformed the Boxster that much on a track. That said, I'd probably prefer a S2000 over either (Despite the S's lack of aftermarket potential). I will mention that I have an inherent dislike for the Boxster as a whole, while I think the Cayman S is awesome.

As for the original argument, I agree: I'd prefer a RX-8 over a MS3 anyday. Mainly because I love the RX-8 so much. I love the looks, I love the engine, I love the handling and feel, and I love the interior.