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This is a discussion on new style GTO within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; I was on my way home yesterday and a yellow new style GTO blew past me on the interstate. He ...

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    new style GTO

    I was on my way home yesterday and a yellow new style GTO blew past me on the interstate. He got stuck behind some slow cars and I cought up and his plates were "on green" so I followed him, and we were both turning at the same light. It turned green and he punched it and so I punched it to follow him. He got a little jump on me cuz I wasnt for sure if he would go fast or not. Well, he drifted around the corner (which looked really cool) and I was punching it behind him and I shifted to second and he started to pull away. Now, is this cuz I got a slower start than him, or are those really that fast?

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    Most likly a combination of both there pretty quick (although their trannies are retarded) they also have lots more tourqe. Im sure it dont hep that you were a bit lat eon the start either.
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    GTO's have a lot of power. I drove my friends GTO once and it was pretty damn quick. There alot faster than they look thats for sure.
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    My friend has an 06, it has 400hp, 400torque and they run between low 13s and upper 12s at 108mph or so, the older ones without the hood scoupes have the 5.7 with 350hp and are considerably slower, more in the lower 14s upper 13s at 105mph or so. Either way its a fast car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavallino333
    GTO's have a lot of power. I drove my friends GTO once and it was pretty damn quick. There alot faster than they look thats for sure.
    was it a manule?
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    wow, I did not realize they were that fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newks
    was it a manule?
    yes
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    I was thinking about getting one...then I realized they get bad gas mileage and it wouldn't be able to get into my driveway in the winter
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    Sadly as much hp/tq as they have they aren't that fast.. Simply put they can't put the power to the ground. GM gave them a IRS instead of a solid axel like the Camaro and Trans am.. This is their biggest down far. The 04 came with an ls1 and the 05/06 came with the ls2. As stated it's about 50hp difference.

    I ran an 06 with less then 3000 miles and already modded (i/e). Said he had around 450hp. It was a long light to light run from a 15mph roll. By the time he stopped smoking them the race was over. Clearly a case of a faster with traction issues. Even with their traction control on they aren't nearly as fast as they should be.

    As far as I know no one has come out with a solid axel rear conversion for them. but once they do and get a nice 4 link, watch out.
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    I agree with that they are pretty quick, but with that much power it should be faster.
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    the LS2 GTO's are slightly faster then an LS1 C5/WS6/SS i know this cause my friends have both and they have raced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRX-ERROR
    Sadly as much hp/tq as they have they aren't that fast.. Simply put they can't put the power to the ground. GM gave them a IRS instead of a solid axel like the Camaro and Trans am.. This is their biggest down far. The 04 came with an ls1 and the 05/06 came with the ls2. As stated it's about 50hp difference.

    I ran an 06 with less then 3000 miles and already modded (i/e). Said he had around 450hp. It was a long light to light run from a 15mph roll. By the time he stopped smoking them the race was over. Clearly a case of a faster with traction issues. Even with their traction control on they aren't nearly as fast as they should be.

    As far as I know no one has come out with a solid axel rear conversion for them. but once they do and get a nice 4 link, watch out.
    Sticky drag radials or ET Streets should help a lot. A lot of 03 Cobra guys I meet at the track are (surprisingly) getting away with IRS and sticky tires. Even with a little wheel hop, they're getting respectable 60' (1.7x)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRX-ERROR
    Sadly as much hp/tq as they have they aren't that fast.. Simply put they can't put the power to the ground. GM gave them a IRS instead of a solid axel like the Camaro and Trans am.. This is their biggest down far. The 04 came with an ls1 and the 05/06 came with the ls2. As stated it's about 50hp difference.
    It goes beyond just IRS why the LS2 GTO isn't considered as being fast, although "fast" is all relative to one's experiences.

    The IRS isn't all that bad, hell, I have IRS and it doesn't slow me down on the drag strip. The three main problems are Tires, Weight, and Torque Management that hinders it's performance. The C6 Vettes are also having a problem with TM as well, along with run flats.
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    As a former '02 Cobb Stage 2 WRX owner and a current slightly modded '04 GTO owner, I can say that a Goat (LS1 or LS2) will hand most WRX's their ass. Yes, there are some wheel hop issues with the IRS, but with either a well-balanced launch or some proper suspension mods, you can take care of that problem (it's 10x easier to launch than a WRX - that's for sure). On a perfect launch for the WRX, the GTO may have to catch up a bit, but once you get into 2nd and especially 3rd, it is bye-bye as the top end of the LS1/2 owns.

    I know...with enough money and mods a WRX can kill a (stock) GTO...but that goes for anything...there is always somebody faster with more money.

    Stock, though, I must beg to differ - the '04's are not significantly underpowered in comparison to the '05's. Dyno's are showing about a 25-40 HP difference at the wheels (depending on the car), but with torque management and heat-soak issues that plague the LS2's, many of the '05's and '06's are running very similar times to the '04's stock for stock (i.e. - low-to-mid 13's). The '04 is only a low-14 second car in the hands of a retarded driver that either can't shift the M6 or doesn't push the pedal all the way to the floor in an A4 - with a decent launch.

    Don't get me wrong - I love WRX's and would own another in a heartbeat for an all-year hot rod and overall fun car. Definitely an apples-to-oranges comparison in every way when you compare them to any '04-'06 GTO, though. They are just way different animals with completely separate missions/purposes. Again, there are always exceptions, but I would not take a GTO lightly - especially on the top end. You might beat it to 60 if you are lucky, but after that it is all a matter of how big of a turbo you have and how deep your pockets are.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cavallino333
    I agree with that they are pretty quick, but with that much power it should be faster.
    Should be faster...except for the fact that they weigh so much!!!. The LS1/2 motors are fairly underrated, so it is a matter of pushing 600-700 lbs more mass than what it is in a 'Vette or what the WRX powertrain has to push around. Given the level of comfort and refinement, though, it is a nice trade-off between luxury and muscle. The current-era GTO's were not made to be stripper drag race cars. They just happen to be a fast car with a very high-end interior and nice ride that gives you a bit of the ol' "best of both worlds" for a hell of a lot less than something like a BMW M-series or Mercedes AMG-series ride. No, they are not up to that level of quality and refinement, but they are the best mix of muscle/luxury you can get on the market today for anywhere near their price ($30k range). It will be interesting to see the direction GM goes with this car when it comes back out in '08/'09, since there was such a backlash over the non-retro styling.

    Anyway...enjoy your WRX's...they are damn fine rides!

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