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    Gti is probably the most luxury you can get out of a cheap sporty car. If you don't care about luxury, wrx is prob the best choice. Focus st is pretty awesome and almost like a cross between the two. If you have the money, the new golf r is going to be amazing.

    If we are talking about Benz/BMW/audi., don't even waste your time. Cadillac ats is the best choice out of that category, hands down. 2.0t in the caddy pushing out 272hp, with a nicer interior, superior sound system and better handling, for less money than the competition.

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    Sorry - a long review of GTI and WRX. Won't happen again because I bought the WRX:

    "Motivated by positive reviews I test drove a 2015 GTI SE with DSG, a 2015 GTI SE with a 6 speed, and a 2015 base WRX with a 6 speed over the same route this past week. For context I currently drive a BMW 335d Msport with H&R sways but otherwise stock.

    I drove the two GTIs first. Gosh I love the looks of the new GTI – they really are lovely cars. The finish inside is good and there is plenty of space for people and stuff. The intrusion of the center stack into the driver’s footwell left me with a sore knee, but by jiggering the seat and wheel aft I was able to find a more comfy, but far from ideal driving position.

    Ride-wise I was very pleasantly surprised how nicely the GTI feels. I haven’t been in another 3,000 lb car that rides as nicely as the GTI, ever. Smooth on all kinds of pavement and firm to the ground on the straights. Really terrific. Felt like the old Mercedes cabs I used to ride around in Germany in the 80’s. I could definitely get used to the GTI’s ride and, for a commute, it would be comfortable and safe, nimble and small, with great sight lines in each direction.

    I confess myself both disappointed and puzzled in regards to the performance aspects of the 2015 GTI however. Body roll is excessive even in sport mode, left-right steering wobbly, vector braking during hard cornering unnerving, steering disconnected and vague, and acceleration lackluster. One of the car rags got a 5.6 second 0-60 out of a Euro spec manual version with summer shoes – C&D I think – but all the other UK and U.S. professional reviewers get 0-60 times from the low to high 6’s depending on tranny and tires, with 6.5-7.0 seconds being the norm for amateurs on blogs and on Youtube. I can forgive the GTI its steering faults since hydraulic setups are like dinosaurs now, but the GTI is supposed to be a HOT hatch whereas I’m not sure it can even claim warmth. And, when I drove my 335d home I felt a great deal of satisfaction, like I got what I paid for.

    That was before I drove the WRX the next day, when I experienced exactly the opposite feeling. Wow! What a terrific performance car – I nearly left the lot with it. In regards to the WRX’s physical attributes the car is just ok – not in any way vastly inferior to the GTI but plainer in the looks category. The instrumentation is much busier than the GTI for one thing, but nothing feels cheap – just uninspired and random. Stance is fine but the body is weird looking; not butt ugly but not in any way particularly attractive either. The stereo in the base model WRX is as ghastly as the SE-level GTI’s Fender setup is sweet (that Vivaldi on the ride to work is gonna sound spectacular in the SE or Autobahn level GTI’s), but the footwell/center stack is roomier for my knees in the WRX than in the GTI, the backseat accommodating with good legroom, and the seats on par with the GTI’s. Still, from the physical perspective, the advantage tilts heavily towards the GTI, which is much better looking while also being moderately better accommodated and better laid out control-wise.

    Where the two cars diverge by much wider margins are in all the performance categories. To me these cars are simply not comparable in regards to performance and it does a disservice to both to try to lump them together categorically. Where the GTI rolls in the corners, the WRX’s body angle is much flatter, and cornering with power in the WRX is just terrific. The WRX ride is on the firm side and less luxurious than the GTI’s but also much more connected and perfectly suitable for daily driving. In all fairness in regards to acceleration and handling the WRX probably benefits from the Dunlop summer cladding in the same measure that the GTI suffers from its all-seasons, so we’ll have to wait until someone throws a set of Michelin PSS’s on a Mk7 GTI, straps on the test gear, and throws down, but until you can really buy a 2015 GTI with the optional summer tires this is a moot point and I’d bet you’d improve handling and acceleration only marginally by doing so, merely closing a bit what is a very large performance gap to begin with. Steering is much more tactile in the WRX than the GTI and unlike with the GTI, where there seems to be some slop in quick left-right-left moves, the WRX goes immediately and exactly where you point it. Turn-in is quick, cornering at speed is WOW!!!-good, and hard lefts or rights from a stop are a grin-spitting thrill.

    And acceleration in the WRX? It is no-kidding-for-reals good. Reported times in the hands of professionals and amateurs alike are in the low to mid 5’s and it felt that quick to me coming from a car that routinely goes below 6. And the WRX sounds better than the GTI doing it. The fun pedal is accompanied by the expected rumble whereas the GTI accelerates with a much more subdued tone. I cannot speak meaningfully to efficiency, though I can say that the DSG-equipped GTI had 39 miles on the ODO and was getting 14.9 MPG, probably due to being driven cold a lot over very short distances and hooning test drivers. Still, if you are buying a 2015 GTI because it is fast AND efficient I daresay the likelihood of getting neither is much higher than that of getting one, the other, or both. As for the gearboxes I personally felt similarly about the both 6 speeds – both are great – but I hated the DSG. I’m sure the DSG is fine but that’s one of the things I like least about my 335d – cars with performance pretentions are driven in a more engaging fashion with a manual.

    In the end, these two cars are very different, making apt comparisons moot. If you like a sweet, sedate, smooth, Mercedes-like ride in a $30k hatch with a modicum of handling, some scoot, and demure manners then the GTI is your ride (and before anyone tags me with the “Mercedes-like” thing I was just in Iceland for a couple of days and drove a Mercedes A-series diesel of which the GTI reminded me a great deal). If, on the other hand, genuine hot performance is your priority then get the WRX. I found it to be preferable to my current 335d as a performance car in almost all regards – a legitimate sub-$30k sports car that now, a week later, sits in my garage."

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    ^^ Exactly this. Tested both as well, and like tonyspumoni a wrx sits in my driveway a week after testing it. Nice review and pretty spot on IMO. Wrx is a proper sports car, gti is a nice sporty hatch.

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    Just curious, why did you want to get rid of your 335d?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan2 View Post
    Just curious, why did you want to get rid of your 335d?
    Forgot my password so created a new login. Gonofurther is Tonyspumoni. Both 335d's were maintenance disasters, with horribly dysfunctional emissions setups. All covered under warranty but still, what happens in warranty tends to happen outside of it too. Love my 2015 WRX after three months. Not quite the pop as the 335d unless I do a 5-6k clutch dump and then it's close, but the WRX handles waaaaay better and has given me zero trouble so far. If you want some schadenfreude, just go over to Bimmerfest, search on "diesel", and you can find all the same horror stories. With that car it isn't a question of IF you will have serious trouble, but when. Lots of guys/gals have had all six injectors replaced, the entire DEF system, and the intake manifold either replaced or sent off to be treated for carbon buildup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonofurther View Post
    Forgot my password so created a new login. Gonofurther is Tonyspumoni. Both 335d's were maintenance disasters, with horribly dysfunctional emissions setups. All covered under warranty but still, what happens in warranty tends to happen outside of it too. Love my 2015 WRX after three months. Not quite the pop as the 335d unless I do a 5-6k clutch dump and then it's close, but the WRX handles waaaaay better and has given me zero trouble so far. If you want some schadenfreude, just go over to Bimmerfest, search on "diesel", and you can find all the same horror stories. With that car it isn't a question of IF you will have serious trouble, but when. Lots of guys/gals have had all six injectors replaced, the entire DEF system, and the intake manifold either replaced or sent off to be treated for carbon buildup.
    Yeah, reliability with German cars tends to be an issue. I had a 2000 Jetta, which had pretty much everything go wrong before even hitting 60k miles.

    Speaking of reliability, how many miles do you have on your '15 WRX? I just ordered mine, but the only thing that has me a bit uneasy is that it's the first year of the redesign and those tend to be a bit of a crap shoot in terms of reliability. Although Subaru has generally been pretty good on this stuff.

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    Not sure comparing a 15 year old Mexican Jetta to anything being made currently is useful…

    I am coming off a 2011 GTI, and in 56k miles, had no maintenance issues whatsoever, which is more than I can say for any of the Hondas or Toyotas I've owned. Am I generalizing about that? No, just pointing out that anecdotal is anecdotal.

    Anyway, the car was phenomenal. Ride, fit and finish, overall quality of materials, features, steering feel, handling, all were pretty excellent. This included a lot of commuting, a fair amount of highway and city driving, and some fun drives in the mountains in GA and NC. Car basically never disappointed and without a doubt, the best all around car I've owned. It was very fun to drive. My only regret I have is not having done the APR tune sooner. Talk about $600 well spent. With an intake and tune (exhaust and intercooler are not required, nor is the intake), the car has a much smoother power curve than the WRX and it feels faster because the torque doesn’t dip the way the Subie seems to after boost peaks. Of course we all know that from a stop or even a slow roll you're getting nothing but wheelspin in a tuned GTI, but I’ll get to that. It would light up the tires from a roll in second gear in the dry. No Bueno. The car exhibits no torque steer. Another problem is, it has no LSD so full power corner exits are impossible. If you do that kind of driving (autocross, for example)... the car is just not a great choice. Anyway, I got rid of my GTI because, a) I hate FWD, b) FWD with no LSD is ludicrous, and c) I bought the DSG on a whim, but I am a "stick guy". I know, it sounds like I would hate the car, but really, it was so good t hat I enjoyed it anyway.

    I would have bought a MKVII if they had either Performance Pack GTIs or Golf Rs in the US now, but they are taking their time and con not give me an arrival date, so I went out on a limb and bought the WRX.

    My impression so far is… the car really handles like it’s glued to the ground. Impressive. Interior is not as good as the GTI overall, but I’m not complaining. I like everything in there except the old style radio and tinny speakers. I am getting used to the power characteristics, so I will reserve judgment until the car (and the owner) is broken in. The “rev hang” issue is bugging me, but I trust Cobb will fix that. The only mod I plan aside from the Cobb tune are an intake and the EcoHitch so I can bring my bikes with me. First impression is good, but I am looking forward to my first track day. Only question is, Homestead or Sebring?
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