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    Motor Trend Comparo. WRX vs ST vs MS3

    The ole Scooby made a nice account for itself. Quickest lap, shortest braking distances and crushed the other 2 in acceleration.


    2013 Mazdaspeed3 vs. 2013 Ford Focus ST vs. 2013 Subaru WRX Special Edition - Comparison - Motor Trend

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    Quote Originally Posted by kritzell View Post
    The ole Scooby made a nice account for itself. Quickest lap, shortest braking distances and crushed the other 2 in acceleration.


    2013 Mazdaspeed3 vs. 2013 Ford Focus ST vs. 2013 Subaru WRX Special Edition - Comparison - Motor Trend
    No surprise with the AWD.

    But the other two kill the WRX in gas mileage.
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    It's gotta be the giant aero killing hood scoop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kritzell View Post
    It's gotta be the giant aero killing hood scoop.
    So true.

    They definitely are not the most aerodynamic vehicles made. IIRC, the GD generations are actually drag limited to about 177mph due to the poor aerodynamics.
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    What struck me as odd is that the other two vehicles have smaller motors but are either producing comparable or more torque yet at a lower RPM.

    I always thought Subaru were going the wrong direction with the 2,5L motor; I wanted a higher output, lower emission, lower consumption 1,8L instead as a substitute for the 2,0L. The other two cars show that tech can substitute for displacement. I felt then and still do now that Subaru were taking the "easy" way out by increasing motor size to get more output -- anybody can do that, it's pre-WWII thinking.

    One area I found Subaru impressive though is weight. Although the others carry less driveline they are comparable in weight or heavier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    What struck me as odd is that the other two vehicles have smaller motors but are either producing comparable or more torque yet at a lower RPM.

    I always thought Subaru were going the wrong direction with the 2,5L motor; I wanted a higher output, lower emission, lower consumption 1,8L instead as a substitute for the 2,0L. The other two cars show that tech can substitute for displacement. I felt then and still do now that Subaru were taking the "easy" way out by increasing motor size to get more output -- anybody can do that, it's pre-WWII thinking.

    One area I found Subaru impressive though is weight. Although the others carry less driveline they are comparable in weight or heavier.
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    No surprise in that article. WRX, performance-wise, beats out the other two in almost every way. Magazine still ranks last thanks to interior.
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    Eh, you learn to read between the lines when you're an enthusiast. I don't think magazines raved about the 2002's interior when it was new, either, but it was basically irrelevant to my decision to purchase.

    OTOH, it seems like the demographic for WRX's has changed a bit. Modern owners seem more concerned about such items as steering wheel controls, sunroofs, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    OTOH, it seems like the demographic for WRX's has changed a bit. Modern owners seem more concerned about such items as steering wheel controls, sunroofs, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    What struck me as odd is that the other two vehicles have smaller motors but are either producing comparable or more torque yet at a lower RPM.

    I always thought Subaru were going the wrong direction with the 2,5L motor; I wanted a higher output, lower emission, lower consumption 1,8L instead as a substitute for the 2,0L. The other two cars show that tech can substitute for displacement. I felt then and still do now that Subaru were taking the "easy" way out by increasing motor size to get more output -- anybody can do that, it's pre-WWII thinking.

    One area I found Subaru impressive though is weight. Although the others carry less driveline they are comparable in weight or heavier.
    Not at all surprising. Out the three vehicles, only the Subaru does not come equipped with direct injection. As such, a lower compression ratio is a must. The Mazda and Ford both include a KKK turbo integrated into the exhaust housing (K04 for the Mazda and K03 for the Ford) which are both smaller and more efficient than the VF52.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo View Post
    I WANT MY WINDOWS TO ROLL UP AT THE SAME TIME, DAMN IT!!!
    Were you the one with the 20 second rollup time, or whatever? I actually tried mine, and they were all up in about 7 seconds. Not too bad, for an 11-year-old tarted-up econobox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    Not at all surprising. Out the three vehicles, only the Subaru does not come equipped with direct injection. As such, a lower compression ratio is a must. The Mazda and Ford both include a KKK turbo integrated into the exhaust housing (K04 for the Mazda and K03 for the Ford) which are both smaller and more efficient than the VF52.
    Much more room to integrate turbo components on an inline engine, especially a latitudinally mounted four banger...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    Were you the one with the 20 second rollup time, or whatever? I actually tried mine, and they were all up in about 7 seconds. Not too bad, for an 11-year-old tarted-up econobox.
    Nope, not me, just remembered that thread. I don't know what speed mine are, but they work well enough I don't even think about them. They do their job, and that's fine by me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo View Post
    Much more room to integrate turbo components on an inline engine, especially a latitudinally mounted four banger...
    I'm not arguing with that... just that Subaru INSISTS on this ignorant flat-4 transverse transmission design.

    At this point, Subaru is keeping the configuration merely to be different and as a marketing gimmick.
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