This is a discussion on 2012 WRX vs. 2012 VW R within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX R32's used to get compared in the old days. The bottom line seemed to be that ...
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That said, I'm willing to bet the features the WRX/STI DO offer will outlast the VW's. Everyone I know with a VW has had serious electrical issues with it after a few years of ownership.
It's pretty hard to break manual seats...
I think the higher-end Golfs were/are German produced, and had a better track record for reliability. (though maybe not a Japanese track record)
Dunno, never been attracted to the newer VW performance products. A coworker has a Jetta GLI...beautiful workmanship, but nothing about the aesthetics or drivetrain really appeals to me. (except, perhaps, his 6-speed transmission.) The inside is very nice.
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My buddy's GTI is a very nice car. 2010, he drives a lot and has 50k miles or so. Aaaaaaand it spent the better part of a month a few months ago going in and out of the shop for some weird engine issues. All sorts of mechanical fixes later, they replaced the ecu to the tune of $1500 and that finally fixed the issue.
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I really really like VWs, BMWs and most german cars... I just don't like the maintenance costs. And the things that go wrong that generally don't on Japanese cars.
Plus value-wise like it's been said the WRX is absolutely a better buy.
I can see liking the more subdued styling of the R or having a couple more amenities, I just don't know if it's worth that much more...
Aside from the VW part, I love the Golf-R.
Oh and the whole being slow part.
As an owner of both an 11 wrx/sti and a 12 vw GTI I can tell you that DAILY Id rather get in my VW than in my Subaru. I am a long time Subaru fan, I am waiting on my R model to arrive. For those who want to talk about reliability issues here are a couple scenerios I have been placed in during my years of owning both cars.
2005 Subaru WRX STi:
spoiler broke- SoA Claimed that because of my cat back exhaust my spoiler vibrated more than normal and broke.
Engine: Number 4 cylinder always made a weird sound 1x,xxx miles the motor noise grew. SoA claimed they had already denied warranty coverage because of the cat back exhaust in the first few thousand miles.
2007 Subaru WRX/STi Limited:
49,xxx miles multiple visual mods 309hp/318lbs ft to the wheels..
Center Diff/Front diff/rear axle seal-All replaced under warranty-This vehicle had 2 center diff replacements now
50,xxx miles: Center diff-Subaru of America NOW claiming (3rd diff replacement) that the modifications is creating the issue
2011 Subaru WRX:
Weird engine noise: Subaru dealer demanded proof of oil change records. I owned the vehicle at this point for no more than 5 days. I found proof of 4 oil changes (around 19k miles) dealer claimed this was unacceptable. I moved on to SoA at this point as the dealer stood ground on a bulletin written in 2007, the owners manual was written in 2010 for model year 11. SoA accepted 4 oil changes being good enough but said to change the oil every 3,750 miles. Dealer then found "aftermarket timing belt" and the noise was coming from small sheetmetal pieces by the cams rubbing the timing belt. $787 out of my pocket on a car less than a year old. and less than 5 days old to me.
2003 VW GTI VR6- door latch issue covered under vw customer care (part alone at my cost+10% discount was $600)
2008 VW GTI 2.0T- Weird tire problem, dispatched tow truck, picked up GTI, Replaced ALL 4 NEW TIRES. Car sat in the shop for a week while I drove a brand new GTI off the show room floor. Car had less than 2,000 miles at this point
2012 VW GTI 2.0T- Weird paint issue- dropped car off, took brand new car home, picked freshly painted car up 1 week later.
VW Is a complete care buying program currently. First 3 year 36k miles every single bit of maintenance is free. Tire rotates and all 0 cost to you as an owner under those first 3/36. Most VW Dealerships offer free hand wash service as well. Sorry but personally if my WRX/STi wasnt the best bang for the buck performance wise it wouldnt earn a spot in my garage because I can gaurantee the most corrupt bunch of worthless ****s work for SoA Warranty. VW has issues, they have quirks but they stand behind the product with amazing customer service and top notch warranty work.
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Your experience is much better than mine with VW. In our family the Passat replaced a Sunfire which was bought back by the dealer because of problems and the VW was still more problematic than the Sunfire. We bought just about the time they were pretending there wasn't a coil pack issue with the 1.8T motor. I don't know how long we went back and forth with that until it was fixed, probably five to six tows early on in its life.
I'll do my best to remember what I can off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more if I looked in the documentation
Every coil pack had been replaced numerous times, even after the recall. Was like pulling teeth dealing with them every time.
Multiple axles was either two or three
tie rods - 2
air pump -1
idle air control valve - 2
Thermostat/coolant sensor - I think that was done twice.
Broken but not fixed:
electronic led display quit displaying on the dash.
cigarette lighter stopped working
Some weird beeping coming from the dash later in life, happened occasionally wasn't able to be reproduced and was never fixed.
Fortunately when the car did work well it worked great. It rode great, it felt solid. . . Though every time you started it you rolled the dice on what the next problem was going to be. Luckily this car was gone before it really started racking up the miles.
While I think SOA's warranty is a joke, overall I think they build a good vehicle. I guess we all have different experiences with cars, and some tend to get lemons, or turds. IMO VW's warranty should be better as if our experience was any indication, it will be needed.
I went from a 2008 R32 to my 2012 WRX.
VW care and the dealer we're excellent, always doing a great job fixing whatever broke. But I could simply not afford to own a VW without a full warranty. In 4 years and 43,xxx miles I had 6 transmission repairs, 3 AWD system failures, a few electrical issues, a major fuel leak, a steering rack and pinion replaced and I'm sure a few others minor things. VW always went above and beyond and the dealer was always very good, but in the end I could not bring myself to get another VW
I drove a 2012 Golf R last week to decide whether I buy it and trade in the subi or keep the subi.
I love the 2012 GTI. My only complaints on the 6MT were the pedal heights...no chance of ever heel-toe, and it has become such an everyday part of my commute with this 5MT that after 5 min driving the GTI I was annoyed. The DSG in the GTi almost got me there but not quite.
So I was excited for the Golf-R.
First off the interior is beautiful and the quality of materials is fantastic....but so is the GTI.
The car drives fine but is a little down on torque down low. It feels heavy and the acceleration is sluggish compared to my WRX.
The center exhaust looks bitching and reminds me of my old MINI S.
That transmission is soo butter smooth and shifts great for a cable shift.
The exhaust note is fantastic.
My only complaints were:
1. The damn Pedal heights are the same as the GTI and non adjustable so heel-toe is out.
2. Its needs more power! The GTI felt faster.
3. Price. The one I test drove MSRP'd for $37k, although the dealer said hed sell it to me for $33k because it had been sitting on their lot for a few months. Thats STI money and less than WRX performance.
4. In the interest of driveability and fuel economy, VW (like most mfgs) have downsized the AC compressor. This does not work in 100+ degree Cali days, like the day I test drove the car. AC was on for 15 min and I was still sweating in those leather seats.
I had a 97 Golf, 93 GTI, and I loved those cars. Quirky....yes, funky unnecessarily over German engineerd....yes, but they were just soo fun. I'd buy another VW even if it had problems....but then again I own a Ducati, so I have a soft spot for fun unreliable things .
Last edited by 06wrx4me; 08-08-2012 at 07:51 AM.
I'd personally not buy without warranty, but everyone is on the same page with that lol
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Guy i work with has both an R32 and an R he just bought. Haven't been in either but they R32 sound amazing and they both look great.