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    So apparently, if I can't afford a Gallardo, I should get a Mustang...

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's a good one.

    (In before the Mustang diehards...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo View Post
    So apparently, if I can't afford a Gallardo, I should get a Mustang...

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's a good one.

    (In before the Mustang diehards...)
    Well... I did get rid of a 2006 Mustang GT to get the 2012 WRX. Only difference, owning a rustang keeps me from being a mehstang diehard. Of course, my next vehicle purchase will probably be me buying my wife a Genesis Sedan since she likes them so much, and she has a 2011 Genesis coupe.

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    Well those are handsome cars, I like the, the sedan more so than the coupe.
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    Is there anything to suggest that the author has actually driven either car? I can also write an article by making baseless comparisons based on magazine specs...but no one should listen to me.

    That said, for many middle-class people, a $34K price point for a competent-performing sedan occurs before "diminishing returns" starts happening. I won't spend $90K on a car, on principle alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex_Harrison View Post
    No it wouldnt. That argument of, if I took the difference in price between car A and car X, and put it towards mods for the cheaper car X, then Car X would totally kick Car A's butt, is one of the stupidest arguments you can have about cars.

    Most people would like to buy something that meets their needs, and not have to mod the hell out of it to make it what they actually want. With a bunch of mods you can make your car fast but completely unreliable and forget about your warranty.
    You make perfect sense, I get that... I just said it would be interesting. These two cars should of never have been compared. If you put say $55,000 grand into any car and make it unreliable you are probably the stupidest person to mod a car. How funny it is to argue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    Well those are handsome cars, I like the, the sedan more so than the coupe.
    Agreed. Although the Genesis R-Spec 5.0 is a disaster, much like the Ford Taurus SHO.
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    Because of all the other large sedans that make 429 hp, 0-60 in 4.8, run low 13s @ 107 mph, and get 25 mpg are better in what way? Oh, and be sure those aren't priced at over $47k. What does that leave you with?

    They do offer the 5.0 without the R-spec package too, if you just want power and comfort combined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John M View Post
    Because of all the other large sedans that make 429 hp, 0-60 in 4.8, run low 13s @ 107 mph, and get 25 mpg are better in what way? Oh, and be sure those aren't priced at over $47k. What does that leave you with?

    They do offer the 5.0 without the R-spec package too, if you just want power and comfort combined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John M View Post
    be sure those aren't priced at over $47k. What does that leave you with?
    It leaves you with a $47,000 Hyundai. I really want to like Hyundais (I ride in them daily in Korea), but I can't get past the cut rate interiors. Sure, there's lots of fancy tech standard, and there are niceties like heated and cooled seats, nice LCD displays, etc, but none of that sufficiently masks the the cheap-feeling leather, nasty plastics, and so-so ride. The suspension isn't terrible, but it's not as refined as I would expect out of a car at this price point. All of these quibbles are excusible for a $25k car, but at nearly $50k, I expect a bit better.

    I feel like if I bought a Genesis, I'd forever be laughed at for not buying a BMW 5-series, and to be honest, I'd be asking myself the same question. Sure, you'll get less hp, but I love the 5-series suspension setup and well appointed interior.

    I have nothing against Hyundais and Kias in general, in fact, I've seriously considered the Optima (called the K5 in Korea), I just couldn't justify spending more than $30k on one, and even that is pushing it.
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    My exact thought about the Korean cars. I am sure they are nice. I see lots of Sorentos ,Optimas, Velosters,etc around nowadays. One of our admins even bought one.

    They do offer the 10 year/100k warranty powertrain warranty though. I guess we will find out in a couple of years if reliability has improved & how good the warranty is. But I remember the older cars being complete garbage in terms of build quality & reliability. It is hard to shake off the image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage-wrx View Post
    My exact thought about the Korean cars. I am sure they are nice. I see lots of Sorentos ,Optimas, Velosters,etc around nowadays. One of our admins even bought one.

    They do offer the 10 year/100k warranty powertrain warranty though. I guess we will find out in a couple of years if reliability has improved & how good the warranty is. But I remember the older cars being complete garbage in terms of build quality & reliability. It is hard to shake off the image.


    if you go back 15 years then yes i agree. I bought a 2002 kia spectra gsx brand new and loved that car. In 5 years the only thing that i had go wrong with it was two bad door sensors, a fading piece of plastic in the hatch and a headlight bulb after 5 years. All were replaced under warranty no questions asked (other than the bulb). It was a great car no problems and low maintenace up to 60K when i sold it. My only complaints about the car was that the rims were pitting and the resale value. Other than that i loved the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage-wrx View Post
    My exact thought about the Korean cars. I am sure they are nice. I see lots of Sorentos ,Optimas, Velosters,etc around nowadays. One of our admins even bought one.

    They do offer the 10 year/100k warranty powertrain warranty though. I guess we will find out in a couple of years if reliability has improved & how good the warranty is. But I remember the older cars being complete garbage in terms of build quality & reliability. It is hard to shake off the image.
    You also see the reverse image issue. People still buy dodge, jeep, chrystler products because of the image from teh old Hemi days. I own a jeep, love the car, but it has had nothing but problems. It will pass everything but a gas station or a dealership for repair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex_Harrison View Post
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    I'd pick that one over the Hyundai just because I want more sport than luxury but the two cars really don't compete in the same arena. Nobody shopping for one is really considering the other. Besides, the fact that the performance of the latest SRT8 is equal to that of a Hyundai luxury sedan really says something for the Koreans. I plan to grab a 5yr old 300C SRT8 in the near future - they're a great choice for a $20k used car.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo View Post
    I feel like if I bought a Genesis, I'd forever be laughed at for not buying a BMW 5-series, and to be honest, I'd be asking myself the same question. Sure, you'll get less hp, but I love the 5-series suspension setup and well appointed interior.
    That might get you a stripper 5 series but add any options and you'll add a huge chunk to the price. I happen to have a 4.6 Genesis in the family and have no issues with the quality of its leather. It's true that the ride is a little too "busy" for my taste but that is said to be improved with the current models. The Genesis is not as sporty as BMW or Mercedes on purpose, yet the fact that it compares with them at all is a testament to how far Hyundai has come. Don't get me started on the Equus

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    I just couldn't justify spending more than $30k on one, and even that is pushing it.
    I wonder how many people still say that about Lexus - it's just a tarted-up Toyota. I think it's more like getting $60k worth of car for $47k than it is getting a clunker with a nice stereo & leather slapped in. Besides, you can find them for $42-43k at many dealerships, or you can save a few thousand more by skipping the Rspec package.

    My mother has an Azera that she bought the month they were introduced. It has more interior room than the Grand Marquis it replaced (and the 7 series of that era too). Over 5 years later it is flawless and she's got another 5 years to go on the powertrain warranty. The "cheap" leather in that car still looks new. If the new version of the Azera is any indication, the next refresh of the Genesis will be very interesting.

    It's not like I haven't seen "nice" interiors. There are LS430 and LS460s in the family. I have driven my brother's CL65 AMG over 1600 miles in the past month and there's certainly nothing cheap about its interior. Hell, the seats in my 20 year old Lexus are so comfortable I'd drive 1000 miles in one stretch without complaint.

    I also have an 03 Dodge Ram and it has held up well over the past 9 years. I've needed zero repairs, it looks & drives great, and I'm sure it'll go another 100k miles easily. The modern Chrysler/Dodge vehicles are far beyond the buckets they were in the 90s. The current crop of the last year or two is the best yet. I do get 9 mpg in town but that's mostly my foot's fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John M View Post
    That might get you a stripper 5 series but add any options and you'll add a huge chunk to the price.
    Yes, I'll admit this. The 5-series base price has shot through the roof in recent years.

    Quote Originally Posted by John M View Post
    I happen to have a 4.6 Genesis in the family and have no issues with the quality of its leather. It's true that the ride is a little too "busy" for my taste but that is said to be improved with the current models.
    It's not. I travel to Korea very frequently, and can say the ride in the brand new ones is still pretty mediocre. It's certainly more comfortable than my WRX, but it feels busy, like you said, and I would expect a lot more sound deadening. The road noise is just as loud as my wife's Honda (not sure if that's a burn on the Hyundai or props to the Honda).

    Quote Originally Posted by John M View Post
    The Genesis is not as sporty as BMW or Mercedes on purpose, yet the fact that it compares with them at all is a testament to how far Hyundai has come. Don't get me started on the Equus

    I wonder how many people still say that about Lexus - it's just a tarted-up Toyota. I think it's more like getting $60k worth of car for $47k than it is getting a clunker with a nice stereo & leather slapped in. Besides, you can find them for $42-43k at many dealerships, or you can save a few thousand more by skipping the Rspec package.
    Where did I say the Genesis was a clunker? It's not a bad car, just not one I want to spend $47k on.

    The new Equus' (Equui?) are really, really nice. Certainly comparable to Lexus or Mercedes. The first gen ones (1999-2008) were not so great, perhaps about the same as a basic Lincoln Town Car. Loaded with fake wood-looking plastic, Kia Rio buttons, and very plain dash. Comfy ride, though.

    Lexus prides itself on how quiet their cars are. As far as interior design, noise, and ride quality, they are still ahead of the Koreans by a good margin (which has narrowed a lot in the last 10 years, granted).

    Personally, I think the Ssangyong Chairman trumps both the Kia and Hyundai flagships. The Chairman borrow Mercedes S-Class engines and transmission. Lots of power, great ride, and nice amenities.

    I also really like the look of the upcoming Kia K9. I snapped this pic in the airport. Check out the fully LED headlights!

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