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    the si requires premium fuel too

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    I'm 6'4 205lbs and I own a 11' WRX. I love it and as stated before, the comfort level is pretty much on par with my roomates old 10' Si. He traded it in on a 12' MS3 just for performance reasons. I was not a fan of the long dashboards in the Si. Performance wise, I feel the WRX is on another level compared to the Civic. It is two completly different styles of fun when driving them so it is a preference with that. Gas in the Si was around 25,30 mpg with city driving. My wrx only gets 19-20 so I'm not very happy with that. Honestly, i'm 20 and I bought my car because of the performance upgrade compared to my 350z. You are 21 with a decent job and looking for a sporty car that is reliable. I would drive both and get the feel for them but I feel you would go with the WRX Hatch, which is what I have. If you didn't live so far away i'd say you could drive my car around and see what you think. ha.
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    I would just get the WRX if I were you..It's the best bang for the back
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcap287 View Post
    I would just get the WRX if I were you..It's the best bang for the back
    So I just registered to provide some insight, I am a young professional (22) and bought a 12 ISM 5D wrx two month ago as a DD and I have a 3 yr old daughter. Honestly, I iterated through, drove, dreamed about soo many cars before deciding on the wrx. I also drove the SI. Ironically, my heart chose the wrx first, but my head had to catch up. I ended up choosing between a wrx, a used audi, or ms3. Not sure why MS3 made the list I thought I wanted more luxury so I almost bought an Audi A4. At the end of the day, I will give you some advice that convinced me to go wrx. A really close friend and fellow 11 wrx owner looked at me with a very serious face and said " dude, if you feel like you should have a navi, floor it and then ask yourself the same question". I have yet to miss any "luxury" feature. Do yourself a favor, buy the wrx. There is no way you will regret it. I smile everyday I look at it and could not imagine driving anything else. You will love it, trust me. Finally, the 11/12 WRX has much more swag then the SI..It feels good inside to catch people staring and admiring your whip!

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    Also, ground and pound your dealer no matter what car you buy. Do your research and know what you want to pay before walking in. Dont waiver with add ons and such, the wrx is very popular around me and I still payed 800 below invoice. This was my first car but I did my homework and caught the dealer a couple of times trying to take advantage of me. Persistance and knowledge will get you the deal you want.

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    I can pretty much appreciate almost all cars but a Prius...I'm old, grew up during the Honda/Acura Prime and loved them. Got deployed came back and payed cash for a Scion tC..enjoyed the Scion craze also. The Army sent me to WV where Subaru's, Mustangs, and S-10's and uh oh wait Cavaliers with fart-cans rule. Can't say the Subaru interior will be a game changer-materials not-so-great, stereo I was told is made by Clarion(hear say-not fact). AWD = Awesome in the snow, dirt, gravel, twisty tarmac, and on the moon. Performance bang for your buck it is hard to beat the WRX. Hatch or Sedan / 4 doors is practical in many ways if you have a family,lower insurance premiums and quick escape if somebody cuts the cheese. Subaru community is genuine and likely to piss you off and make you feel loved at the same time. I have not walked up to any Hondas lately to give a thumbs up. They don't give me the fizz feeling like TopGear's James May gets. The WRX will give ya a bon3r at times. I'm on 3rd WRX since 2009. When I sold my 1st 07 WRX for an 08 VW GTI I really did fall into a depression, No more bon3rs,no more balls, I couldn't go on forums, I just didn't feel the same. I didn't leave the house for like 6 mos. My wife was driving an 08 WRX and rubbed it in my face every day. Finally my balls grew back, I kicked her butt into the VW and traded her 08 for my 2012 WRX Sedan, the bon3rs they're back! Viagra on wheels brother. My kid turns 16 in 6yrs right when its paid for and he'll be able to enjoy one of the last 2.5L gas-guzzling all around fun - proper cars of its time that is under 26k. Sorry to all that read this....it is part of my therapy.
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    My 15 year old CRV was destroyed in storm. I have been a honda fan boy my whole life and Im old . I was really wanting a 2012 si sedan but when I went for a test drive I really didn't feel it. The interior was cool, radio sounded nice but the car just felt...lame. My wife and I were on our way home rather disappointed when we passed a newly opened Subaru dealership. Having long been a tuner car guy I have always been intrigued by the WRX. When I saw the WRX sedan I was really impressed with the look and feel of it. When I drove it, I knew I was home Not to mention that every Honda dealer we visited seemed to only house high pressure salesmen that knew nothing about what they were selling. The Subaru salesman actually knew about cars and educated me for a change. Nothing wrong with the Si but that was my though process.

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    I regret not getting an SI instead of my WRX
    The SI has sharper handling and is overall more fun and feels faster, even though it is not.

    The reason why I ended up getting the WRX is mainly because of the exhaust note (with an aftermarket exhaust obviously) and it is a little more quick out of the box...

    But overall the SI can handle a lot more power and abuse if you are going to be modding the car. The stock block in the SI and the transmission in the SI can take a LOT more abuse than the WRX.

    The WRX has rather pathetic gas mileage when you drive it even semi-hard and the handling is just not there without extensive aftermarket suspension work.. Not to mention that the factory tune has a lean spot and they like to blow up when you actually drive the damn car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexload View Post
    I regret not getting an SI instead of my WRX
    The SI has sharper handling and is overall more fun and feels faster, even though it is not.

    The reason why I ended up getting the WRX is mainly because of the exhaust note (with an aftermarket exhaust obviously) and it is a little more quick out of the box...

    But overall the SI can handle a lot more power and abuse if you are going to be modding the car. The stock block in the SI and the transmission in the SI can take a LOT more abuse than the WRX.

    The WRX has rather pathetic gas mileage when you drive it even semi-hard and the handling is just not there without extensive aftermarket suspension work.. Not to mention that the factory tune has a lean spot and they like to blow up when you actually drive the damn car.
    Personally, I believe you made the right choice. These cars are not really in the same class when you look at the specs, granted the WRX is a more expensive car than the civic. The WRX is bigger, faster and much more aggressive looking IMO. Sharper handling? The WRX produced a higher skid pad speed, higher slalom speed and better braking from 60 to 0 than the Civic Si by a good margin on all counts. Not to mention the fact that the WRX's 1/4 mile time that is nearly 1.5 seconds and 9 MPH better than the civic si, that's more than a little more quick in my book.

    The fuel economy is not as good on the WRX as the civic, but that is too be expected since the WRX is heaver, makes 35% more HP and is AWD.

    As far as the civic handling more power, the stock block on a WRX can supposedly handle 375 - 400 WHP and use it on the street. Even if you build a 500 WHP civic, and the block and trans lives (which it won't) you won't ever be able to use that power without slicks on the front.

    So while I do really like the new civic, its not really a fair comparison in stock or mildly modified form. If you apply similar mods to both cars the WRX still wins in my book but again the WRX is a more expensive car. Now, if we are talking Lexan windows, no interior, full race cars with unlimited budgets who knows which is better, I guess, but I didn't buy a new brand new car for that purpose. My WRX is my first non-honda tuner car and I can tell you from person experience, turbo charging a car that didn't come that way from the factory is a rabbit hole that neither me nor my wallet wish to travel down again anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scnsaracer View Post
    Personally, I believe you made the right choice. These cars are not really in the same class when you look at the specs, granted the WRX is a more expensive car than the civic. The WRX is bigger, faster and much more aggressive looking IMO. Sharper handling? The WRX produced a higher skid pad speed, higher slalom speed and better braking from 60 to 0 than the Civic Si by a good margin on all counts. Not to mention the fact that the WRX's 1/4 mile time that is nearly 1.5 seconds and 9 MPH better than the civic si, that's more than a little more quick in my book.

    The fuel economy is not as good on the WRX as the civic, but that is too be expected since the WRX is heaver, makes 35% more HP and is AWD.

    As far as the civic handling more power, the stock block on a WRX can supposedly handle 375 - 400 WHP and use it on the street. Even if you build a 500 WHP civic, and the block and trans lives (which it won't) you won't ever be able to use that power without slicks on the front.

    So while I do really like the new civic, its not really a fair comparison in stock or mildly modified form. If you apply similar mods to both cars the WRX still wins in my book but again the WRX is a more expensive car. Now, if we are talking Lexan windows, no interior, full race cars with unlimited budgets who knows which is better, I guess, but I didn't buy a new brand new car for that purpose. My WRX is my first non-honda tuner car and I can tell you from person experience, turbo charging a car that didn't come that way from the factory is a rabbit hole that neither me nor my wallet wish to travel down again anytime soon.
    Eh, there is a reason why sometimes the car with the bigger HP number isn't always the better choice for an enthusiast or necessarily more fun to drive.
    There is a difference between numbers on paper and real life performance. Sounds illogical? Well, not really. This is why a low 14 sec Honda will hang with some low 13 sec cars on the freeway. Sure, the AWD will get a good 60' with a good launch and that is where that second in the 1/4 mile is shaved off. You aren't going to be launching it that way every time you take off and once you are already in motion, you are just "a little quicker" than the SI out-of the box.

    To me the WRX really lacks spirit; it is very "robotic" and doesn't feel like a sports car. Sure, the SI doesn't exactly feel like a sports car either but overall is a bit more enthusiast-oriented for spirited driving. Of course you will argue that this is just my opinion, which is certainly true.

    As for a WRX handling 400whp on the stock block and transmission, I haven't seen too many of those. The K-series can actually handle more than 500whp but that is also based on what I have personally seen and there is no 100% guarantee that it will be reliable for X amount of miles. I ran 2 boosted Hondas in the past on stock block and more than doubled the stock power and tuned the cars myself with no issues and I ran them pretty hard. Based on what I have seen, WRX cannot take that much abuse daily. But I didn't exactly get the WRX to mod it heavily, it is just a daily beater at this point with an exhaust note that is pleasing to my ears.

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    I'm coming from a supercharged 2009 civic si, I have a 2012 stage 2 pbp wrx sedan. My civic had everything done to it bolt on wise and suspension wise, i had a little over $10,000 in parts on it. The wrx with factory suspension feels better in the corners and the car shows its true colors after you flash a new map. My wrx has boat loads of torque compared to my old civic. I have less than $2,000 dollars into the car so far and it's quicker than the civic was. The only thing i miss about my civic was the digital speedo. Other than that. WRX all the way

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    And also.. my civic was making a little over 300whp and right at 200 ft lbs of tq. All it did was spin. 1st 2nd and 3rd gear. Not practical. And that was on dry pavement, lets not even talk about when it raining, with sticky ass tires.

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    Car choice is such a personal thing...I've driven a number of years of Civic SI (though not the new one), and have never cared for them. Don't like fwd handling, don't care for how the engine makes power, etc. Great build quality though, and clearly it's a formula that works for a lot of people; they've been making SI's (continuously?) since 1984.
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    there's a crapload of headroom in the wrx ... my cousin who's 7'3" and 350lbs fit tightly but comfortably in my 2010 wrx.

    There's the fwd vs awd thing, having diven every type of vehicle motivation known to road going vehicles I personally prefer rwd.. but since that's not a player here awd is really nice to have. Esp when you want to quickly lay down some hp for merging in wet or from a looser surface (side road etc) .. the car will stick and go when you want it to. Which I cannot say for fwd or even my beloved rwd vehicles.

    Both take premium fuel.. the SI will need much less to get you the same distance. Boxers aren't notoriously efficient engines to begin with and dragging the extra driveline doesn't help either. However.. the increase in Torque (the part of the power delivery that you feel the most) is worth it to me. At least it makes daily driving much easier. Power sooner is better than later.

    The SI will without a doubt outhandle a factory wrx. Hands down it will. That said, there's reasons why the wrx doesn't handle as well and those can be overcome with a couple hundred bucks in sways/endlinks. Out of the box the wrx isn't terrible but it isn't stellar either. The STI is much better in that realm but the extra cost will offset benefit for a daily driver budget.

    Community... subaru folks aren't usually known for getting into stupid trouble or being imature. Sure those examples exist but in the scoobie world we tend to run them off or set them straight pretty quickly. Out on the road civics of all kinds are often police magnets. A wrx can get you attention but likely wont get you pulled over for nothing..... at least it shouldn't as long as you're not driving like you stole it . Not that you should be concerned with outward image but it will cast a light on you as the owner depending on the way you go. That sucks, but its a cold hard truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rexload View Post
    Eh, there is a reason why sometimes the car with the bigger HP number isn't always the better choice for an enthusiast or necessarily more fun to drive.
    There is a difference between numbers on paper and real life performance. Sounds illogical? Well, not really. This is why a low 14 sec Honda will hang with some low 13 sec cars on the freeway. Sure, the AWD will get a good 60' with a good launch and that is where that second in the 1/4 mile is shaved off. You aren't going to be launching it that way every time you take off and once you are already in motion, you are just "a little quicker" than the SI out-of the box.

    To me the WRX really lacks spirit; it is very "robotic" and doesn't feel like a sports car. Sure, the SI doesn't exactly feel like a sports car either but overall is a bit more enthusiast-oriented for spirited driving. Of course you will argue that this is just my opinion, which is certainly true.

    As for a WRX handling 400whp on the stock block and transmission, I haven't seen too many of those. The K-series can actually handle more than 500whp but that is also based on what I have personally seen and there is no 100% guarantee that it will be reliable for X amount of miles. I ran 2 boosted Hondas in the past on stock block and more than doubled the stock power and tuned the cars myself with no issues and I ran them pretty hard. Based on what I have seen, WRX cannot take that much abuse daily. But I didn't exactly get the WRX to mod it heavily, it is just a daily beater at this point with an exhaust note that is pleasing to my ears.
    Yeah I hear you, the Si is a really cool, fun little car for sure. Like I said I almost bought one. But I feel that the WRX is simply a better more tune-able street car. In stock form it requires fewer mods to reach the level of performance I personally want to achieve. Believe me, I understand about fast Hondas as I have had a couple myself. Regarding the 1/4 mile times, don't forget that what you feel and see on the freeway is trap speed, an area where the WRX is significantly better than the Si in stock form. Run the two against each other on the freeway from 30 to 100+ MPH (speaking metaphorically street racing is for chumps ) and you have no contest. That's the power to weight (and torque) ratio advantage of the WRX over the Si. Additionally, AWD not only gets you a good launch when you want, it allows you to put power down during hard acceleration. For example, my 91 CRX Si with a built B18 and custom turbo system ran 12.80 @112 MPH on slicks (uh not to say I'm old but that was in 1998). From a roll on street tires, smoothly getting into the throttle in 3rd would yield tire spin as the boost came on. To be totally honest, neither car will take daily abuse, period. You can easily break either car if you beat on it enough and to say that a Civic is more durable than a WRX is...well a difficult to prove to say the least. As for not feeling like a sports car I guess we will have to agree to disagree To me the civic felt bouncy with alot of body roll while the WRX felt surefooted and nimble. The civic engine sounded like, well a civic (you can barely even here the Vtec on these damn new fangled motors) while the WRX sounds like a sports car to me (we agree there ) I guess in my mind (right or wrong), the WRX needed less stuff to be a viable performance car, does that make sense? For example, for me to really enjoy the civic, it would have to be turbocharged. $5000K +, probably more like 7-10K to do it right, in my experience, and you haven't touched the suspension or brakes yet. On top of that you now have a new car that is totally bastardized. Where as with the WRX, you can throw on some coil overs, a downpipe, intake and an OTS tune and have a damn fun little street/track car that can actually lay down some decent 1/4 miles times/speeds for about $2-3K in mods AND still have a totally reliable car that my wife can take on a 5 hour road trip. That was my thought process and to each his own. Don't take this the wrong way, just good conversation So far I have yet to see a well built 2012 Si (I don't think the turbo kid is out yet) but I can't wait to see what people do with them, I am sure they will be cool.

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