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This is a discussion on WRX vs RX8 within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; no for anything, but i think its funny that you have all these sports cars, and then a 2.5i thrown ...

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    no for anything, but i think its funny that you have all these sports cars, and then a 2.5i thrown it lol
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    The RX-8, if taken care of properly, is not a bad car as long as your not looking for torque or gas mileage. The gearing is terrible and the gas mileage is equivalent to that of a 1/2 ton pickup. Stick with the subi

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirited09wrx View Post
    no for anything, but i think its funny that you have all these sports cars, and then a 2.5i thrown it lol
    partially because I just want a clean, reliable dd with cheaper insurance that looks really nice (I was paying about $190 a month on the 02 wrx I had a year ago). But, nothing beats the sounds and the fun had with a turbo.

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    Get a WRX to DD, the RX-8 has no guts, poor gas mileage and if unknown history you can be running into issues down the road. If you have the money get a CLEANLY done and WELL documented RX-7
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    I'd guess that the posters who simply don't like rotarys haven't driven them. It's a fantastic engine. I've owned 2 Rx-7s, one with 160,000 miles on the engine, the other with 135,000. I still have one of them.

    The big question you need to ask yourself is what do you like for vehicle dynamics? In the WRX, you sit high, the car is front heavy with a higher center of gravity. It's easy to dial out the understeer, but it will always feel a little more top heavy than a lower car like the Rx-8. The AWD is great in all weather conditions for traction, but there are things you can do with a RWD chassis that the AWD won't allow. The engines are totally different animals. One is rough and torquey, the other is smooth and needs to rev to get moving, both are enjoyable intheir own way. The rotary engine is a hand built exotic, but only a specialist will work on it. My WRX gets 22-24 mpg typically, which is about the same as you would get from the Rx-8.

    Totally a personal choice, but there is no loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by me73 View Post
    My WRX gets 22-24 mpg typically, which is about the same as you would get from the Rx-8.

    Totally a personal choice, but there is no loser.
    my 8 got only 15-17 but i was hard on it,
    OP remember with the 8 you have to maintain it, like check oil levels every other time you fill up, that and only high end torque (and VERY little) is really the only down side, i loved my 8, revving up to 9500k sounds amazing, slap on a esmeril racing turbo and harness, you got enough power, only reason i got rid of mine was because a hail storm .... hail damage on my rx8 - YouTube so as long as you do the oil and maintain it you shouldn't have any break downs, it's a fun car to drive, but's not a drag car so no light to light..not that i encourage it, but it's most certainly a track car wide and low and of the few imports with a 5 star roll over crash rating. also if you're gonna do body mods there's more choihe than with a WRX i've hardly been able to find anything beyond hoods trunks and spoilers. also 1.3L producing the same amount of horses as a 6cyl 350z is pretty awesome.
    having owned both i preferred the RX8 but that's just me. also consider weather, if you have snow go with the WRX, the RX8 has some trouble in the snow being RWD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by me73 View Post
    I'd guess that the posters who simply don't like rotarys haven't driven them.
    No, sorry, I don't want Wankels around.

    Rotaries have pistons.

    Wankels have no pistons.

    I don't like Wankels.

    I don't like them when NSU does them, when Norton does them... I'm not going to like them no matter how Mazda does them. I actually own a 20 year old Mazda. It's in good shape. It's got pistons.

    I've seen a Mazda RX-7 on the podium at the best WRC rally event in the world, but I still prefer pistons. Mazda even put a Wankel in a Jaguar chassis and went endurance racing. They can win whatever they want. Pistons.

    EDIT: Mazda are very proud of their podium, they have a site about it. Good times. They were first wrong-wheel-drive car despite having a Wankel, and they brought two cars in the top ten. To be fair it was a completely fantastic result. I'd still never chose a Wankel. Note that I've never claimed to be rational about any of this... For anyone interested:
    http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/rot...ndex04_03.html

    Here is Mazda's own site with the RX-7 in a better view on the stage at Kalabaka, very iconic stage with Meteora in the background. Pure "Acropolis Rallye" spirit. Offered as an apology to Wankel fans:
    http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/rot...ndex04_02.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    No, sorry, I don't want Wankels around.

    Rotaries have pistons.

    Wankels have no pistons.

    I don't like Wankels.

    I don't like them when NSU does them, when Norton does them... I'm not going to like them no matter how Mazda does them. I actually own a 20 year old Mazda. It's in good shape. It's got pistons.

    I've seen a Mazda RX-7 on the podium at the best WRC rally event in the world, but I still prefer pistons. They can win whatever they want. Pistons.
    Arguing semantics is irrelevant to the conversation.

    HowStuffWorks "How Rotary Engines Work"
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    How stuff works tend to be a little unspecific; it is to my understanding that that link is specifically for the wankel rotary engine. Admittedly, I don't understand how a rotary could have pistons as sd said; but he's generally far more knowledgeable than I, so I'll buy it, especially considering that link states that the rotary engine is sometimes known as the wankel rotary engine, when I'm almost positive that there are several more rotary designs besides the wankel, although the wankel is the most commonly produced these days (for some reason).

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    Quote Originally Posted by me73 View Post
    Arguing semantics is irrelevant to the conversation.

    HowStuffWorks "How Rotary Engines Work"
    I disagree. It is Wankel fans have mislabeled the Wankel in English.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pylonpounder View Post
    How stuff works tend to be a little unspecific; it is to my understanding that that link is specifically for the wankel rotary engine. Admittedly, I don't understand how a rotary could have pistons as sd said
    A rotary engine has pistons situated in a circle, often in an odd number, and was used in aero applications but also in some early and/or odd cars and bikes. The engine spins around the central shaft in a rotary, and the pistons still move in a conventional sense in each cyl. {Edited to try to provide link example:}
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCkpn8mlfxE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iJpz...eature=related
    {Disclosure: Read that rotaries for the triplane are very rare and some replicas use radial engines instead}

    Sometimes you can hear a braaaapp kind of sound, they're neat.

    although the wankel is the most commonly produced these days (for some reason).
    It probably is, I don't doubt it. Mazda have kept at it (I wasn't consulted...). There are even Wankel aero engines! (I don't know which planes use them and I can't tell their noise apart as easily as the aero rotaries so I can't plane-spot those though). Still, that Wankel aero engines exist implies they can be made to run safely and reliably in that application. Still not for me though. Pistons.
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    The car industry is fascinating to watch over time. It would be interesting to know which technologies have been shunted aside due to their being less useful/practical, and which due to politics, public perception, etc. When I was a kid, the Wankel was the new design that the car magazines would bring up in hushed tones, implying that it was only a matter of time before it replaced piston engines....and then it never happened. Apex seals, fuel efficiency, engine longevity...name the reasons that it could be, (or the perceived reason), that next-gen Corvette with the 4-rotor Wankel just never materialized.

    I'm curious enough about them to want to drive an RX-8 around and see, but have no urgent need to own a car that needs so much revving to get the power moving. Nothing against it in particular..I feel the same way about Honda's VTEC 4 bangers.
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    There is an indirect Subaru connection for the US in that Briklin had at one point wanted a non-piston Wankel-ish motor for his sports car. Never happened.

    EDIT: I am wrong. Bricklin was developing a pistoned true rotary, not a pistonless Wankel-ish engine. Still didn't happen though. Apologies for misstatements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    The car industry is fascinating to watch over time. It would be interesting to know which technologies have been shunted aside due to their being less useful/practical, and which due to politics, public perception, etc. When I was a kid, the Wankel was the new design that the car magazines would bring up in hushed tones, implying that it was only a matter of time before it replaced piston engines....and then it never happened. Apex seals, fuel efficiency, engine longevity...name the reasons that it could be, (or the perceived reason), that next-gen Corvette with the 4-rotor Wankel just never materialized.

    I'm curious enough about them to want to drive an RX-8 around and see, but have no urgent need to own a car that needs so much revving to get the power moving. Nothing against it in particular..I feel the same way about Honda's VTEC 4 bangers.
    It's very similar to the smaller 4 cylinder v-tec engines like the 1.6, 1.7, and 1.8L cars. The rotary had variable induction port sizing and variable intake runners before it became popular in other cars so they even have the torque bump when the induction system changes over.

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    I've pretty much decided against the rx8. I like the car, but not the engine. I like pistons too. I cant really think of any car that i'd rather have (that i can afford) other than a wrx. I just dont think i'd be as satisfied with any other car. But im still having a hard time deciding between a wrx and 2.5i. Obviously, the wrx is going to be more fun, but the 2.5i is going to be cheaper overall, and most likely more reliable, although a wrx can be just as reliable if maintained properly and not abused. But the wrx also requires 93 octane, as the price of gas keeps going up.

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    The Impreza is heavy and not near the top of its class when it comes to fuel economy. The difference between low and high octane fuel isn't really a deciding factor in my view, even though I like keeping money rather than spending it. The WRX is more fun than the non-turbo Imprezas. I'd get the WRX. Find one completely stock, with all service records, and prefer owners who are not interested in cars.
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