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    Despite the fact you own a WRX, I have to say it's not a great way to start by trashing Subarus. There's a reason you replaced your Cobalt with a WRX.

    There's no comparison between a FWD car and an AWD or RWD car when it comes to handling. If there was, FWD cars would be raced, but there's not a single type of race where they're used.

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    Theoretically I can go compete in some kind of rally in my wife's minivan...but most people on here will think of full-on multistage rally vehicles, which, unless I'm wrong, use a variety of beefed up, stiffened suspension members, sequential-shifting transmissions, etc.

    There's a video floating out there where Rally Team USA took a stock STI and took 800 hours converting it over to rally spec. Sounds like a bit more work than just some power boltons.
    Tanner Foust's Ford rally car has a price tag of $500k. That should tell people how different a true competition rally car is from the STI you buy off the lot.

    That being said, a stock STI does pretty darn well on dirt/gravel roads. I've had some serious fun in mine on twisty national forest roads up here in the mountains where most cars wouldn't stand a chance of driving like I do my STI.
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    Dam you and your logic Ray! Haha as true as that may be, an STi or even a WRX is a much more apt and versatile racing car, especially when considering imperfect weather and road conditions. In 99% of daily or track scenarios, th cobalt will prove to be subpar in comparison.
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    I think that you're underrating the car. I wouldn't own one, because I don't enjoy the driving dynamics of FWD, and for other reasons. But most reports have said that it has surprisingly good track manners.
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    I do give the car some credit, considering it's good brakes, devent suspension and fairly powerful engine no doubt it would be a very solid track car. That being said however, there is no way that you can convince me that the cobalt could beat either a WRX or a STi around a track, with the same driver of course I don't think it's possible. The subies can enter turns at much higher speeds and get on the gas way earlier, the cobalt is not THAT much faster on the straights to make up for it's understeer in the corners and it's torquesteer coming out of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    Even the STI has more in common with a Toyota Camry than with an actual rally car. "Rally inspired" is a bit closer to the truth.
    No offense to anyone here, but SOA must be loving the fact that consumers believe their $35K sedan is more-or-less identical to a $500K rally car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Maher_WRX View Post
    umm no offense, i recognize the Cobalt SS t/c as being a decent car and all, but honestly, to say that even an STi would bow down? hah.. lets see a cobalt pull a 7:55 on the nurburgring... and ok "lightning lap times" you have to look at the track layout. in some cases i.e a track with a LOT of straights the cobalt could come close and maybe even beat the STi

    edit: Virginia International Raceway?? hahahaha honestly. First off that track hardly captures and gives the AWD any advantage at all considering it is a faily simple track, but are you seriously going to try and say that the cobalt ss is faster than a WRX STi and an EVO MR?? Dude if you believe that, you're wayyy too gullable. Ever hear of false advertising?? It's like Subaru claiming the WRX only has 265 hp, 244 tq, and a 0-60 of 5.4s... when in reality it has 255 AWTQ and around 240awhp, and does 0-60 in 4.7s.. just to keep STi sales up. GM pays a magazine to edit their numbers a bit... tadahh

    But on a hard track, just say for example: laguna seca (i know its not the best example) a cobalt would be torched by both the wrx and sti. if you think you could beat a awd rally car for the road around a track in a cobalt, thats not the subies fault, its a matter of you not knowing how to use the car to its full potential
    woah, ez chief, you really dont know what your talking about unless you had a sstc. Like i said i dont regret my WRX at all!! Just saying the balt weighed under 3000 lbs and third gear went to 105..... yes my old hp tuned balt (300whp/350wtrq) would stomp a cobb stage 2 sti in a 60-100, (and I should know as i raced my old 06 stage 2 sti in the balt, when i had it). the balt had stock 24mm sway up front and 22 rear and slalom at around 71 with a lateral g approaching .93 ....... that ecotec 2 liter was as bulletproof as an sti trans. and i dont autocross btw so i could care less about laguna seca........ but cheers to all of us subie owners b/c we all made the right choice!!

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    You know I didn't realize the Cobalt handled as well as it does (no personal experience, just armchair reading on the net). Honestly that .93 g figure had me saying "no way" until I googled it and found a stock Cobalt SS pulls about a .92. That's pretty impressive.

    I think what Dodge did with the Neon R/T is also pretty impressive.

    However, you wouldn't catch me dead driving either one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teflon_jones View Post
    I think what Dodge did with the Neon R/T is also pretty impressive.

    However, you wouldn't catch me dead driving either one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    There's a video floating out there where Rally Team USA took a stock STI and took 800 hours converting it over to rally spec. Sounds like a bit more work than just some power boltons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    There's a video floating out there where Rally Team USA took a stock STI and took 800 hours converting it over to rally spec. Sounds like a bit more work than just some power boltons.
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