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This is a discussion on 10 Good Reasons Why The WRX Outshines the Competition within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX Heh...I'm a dad, okay? My kids don't "let me choose" how to spend my money on ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    Heh...I'm a dad, okay? My kids don't "let me choose" how to spend my money on them..I choose, and it's with their best interest at heart. I don't know this fellow's father, but I suspect that he's earned the right to have the last word about how his money is spent.
    I think the authority of your position has caused you to look at things in a distorted manner here (no offense). But your kids have two choices when it comes to "how you spend money on them":
    "Let dad do whatever he wants and stay quiet" or

    "throw out suggestions, or a sound argument to convince him to see things MY way"

    So yes, in a way, your kids are in fact "letting" you chose how to spend your money if they say nothing. Otherwise, whether your pride lets you admit it or not, they can heavily influence your decisions toward them.

    As far as your assessment on teens, it's mostly correct. I just believe in giving everyone a chance. He seems to have his head on strait (as he asked for recommendations and help, rather than just whining), and hopefully he won't do anything stuipid (an possibly raise insurance rates on the car even higher).
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    How many kids do you have?

    With respect, you're twisting words around to try to win a debate. It's his dad's money. It's his decision. If he chooses to listen to his kid's input, great, and no problem there. If he decides that he knows best either way...it's his call. That's the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    How many kids do you have?

    With respect, you're twisting words around to try to win a debate. It's his dad's money. It's his decision. If he chooses to listen to his kid's input, great, and no problem there. If he decides that he knows best either way...it's his call. That's the point.
    No kids yet. Still enjoying bachelor life (for now )

    I'm not really trying to win a debate. Just trying to bring about a viewpoint that shows that, even though children are "at the mercy" of their parents financial decisions, they have the ability to affect those decisions. So yes, it is indeed his father's call, but that's not taking away from the fact that it can be changed or influenced heavily from his sons input right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGimpreza
    I'm not really trying to win a debate. Just trying to bring about a viewpoint that shows that, even though children are "at the mercy" of their parents financial decisions, they have the ability to affect those decisions. So yes, it is indeed his father's call, but that's not taking away from the fact that it can be changed or influenced heavily from his sons input right?
    Depends on the style of parenting employed, as Ray said. I don't have kids, but I have more of an "iron fist" type mentality, personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJ257 View Post
    Depends on the style of parenting employed, as Ray said. Personally, I would never purchase a vehicle for my kid. I might help them financially if I was in a position to do so, but it would be a loan. If I were to purchase a vehicle for my kid, it would be the vehicle of my choice, and it would be something reliable/safe. If they don't like the vehicle I choose for them, they can purchase the vehicle on their own.
    So I guess it's safe to say your kid getting you a great fathers day present isn't going to earn him any brownie points toward an STi eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGimpreza
    So I guess it's safe to say your kid getting you a great fathers day present isn't going to earn him any brownie points toward an STi eh?
    That's my second foiled ninja edit today

    No. I'm a firm believer in having to work for the things you have. I paid for the majority of my first car, but my parents loaned me a little bit of money to buy something different. I could've afforded a cheaper car on my own (and wanted to), but they felt more comfortable with me in the one I bought. I got the car in March, and my parents were paid back in full by the end of that summer.

    Besides, the more $$ he spends on my Father's Day present, the less money he'll have to put towards the STi he wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJ257 View Post
    That's my second foiled ninja edit today

    No. I'm a firm believer in having to work for the things you have. I paid for the majority of my first car, but my parents loaned me a little bit of money to buy something different. I could've afforded a cheaper car on my own (and wanted to), but they felt more comfortable with me in the one I bought. I got the car in March, and my parents were paid back in full by the end of that summer.

    Besides, the more $$ he spends on my Father's Day present, the less money he'll have to put towards the STi he wants.
    I guess I can understand that. I was the first born son and grandson in my immediate family. So a lot of things (including my first car) were given to me. However, they somehow also managed to bring me up with the desire to earn my way through hard work (put myself in the hospital like that once though).

    So in the end I guess you could say I'd be a more lenient parent when it came to a big purchase like a car. Long as the kid puts hard work in somewhere (whether that be school, or a job earning the cash), I'd probably end up buying the car for him/her. Who knows though, time and experience might change that opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    You haven't been here very long. Those of us that are veterans to the forum have watched while one teen after another wraps their WRX around a tree, rips the front bumper off (Sorry Martin ), flies down an embankment, etc. It's a testament to the safety of the car that we haven't had many deaths. The high insurance for teens and WRX's isn't random...it's because the insurance companies see how often youngsters get in trouble with the car.
    Trust me I don't dispute what you're saying. As I explained, I myself, was in the same situation. I got a hold of a car with too much power for my experience and paid the price. I'm just saying I think that's the best way to learn so long as the mistake isn't too big.

    I should also have mentioned that my parents certainly played no part in the purchase of my WRX. I bought it myself so they had no say in the matter (I was living at their house at the time).

    I must say though, if I had a parent that was offering to buy me a car for 15-18 grand, I don't see why they would say no to a WRX. Especially if the other cars being looked at are things like Civic Si and such.

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    Im almost 18 and I just recently purchased, with some financial help from my dad, an 03 wrx. The first car I purchased myself was a 96 ford escort with wayy too many miles, which I drove around for over a year until the engine blew up. Honestly, if I had a faster car like a wrx for the first year of driving, I'd be dead. I did so much stupid **** in the escort, which could've gone horribly wrong had I had 200+ at my command.

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    Trust me guys..everything you think you know about parenting goes out the window when reality hits. Take your time and enjoy some bachelor years...I did.

    I'm really not the hardass that I'm being portrayed as; rather, I have to balance between what I can reasonably afford (1 income household), what I need to save for our respective futures, and whether or not it's a prudent purchase for said kid.

    There's no way I'm buying a new car for my child, though I'm sure I could make it happen if I wanted. And if they decide to save their money and buy one while living under my roof, then they will certainly be paying me some rent as well. I insist that they learn some financial responsibility.

    What I'm likely to do is find a little "fixer-upper" with good crash-test ratings when my eldest is 14-15, and let her help me spruce it back up. She currently wants a pink Miata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kempobmx1 View Post
    i just caution you to be very careful. Much more careful than you think you need to be. I'd been driving 2 years and had owned a nissan altima as my first car. Never had a single incident with my altima. Then i got my wrx and crashed it within 3 weeks. $6,000 was the bill for the damage and now my insurance is up to $4,200/year. That's $350/mo in more familiar terms.


    Edit: Don't take that as me encouraging you to drive stupidly. The wrx is a practical, safe car. But it's also a very fun car. Just know your limits.
    ouch 350 a month i have an 06 and i only pay 135 a month but then again im 24 married with a 3 month old and a homeowner...

    And as for the teen "fast and the furious" drivers out there if your gonna be wrecking perfectly good and innocent wrx's go practice on some mitsubishi's and give those pos's a worse name as far as the insurance industry is concerned... Im pretty sure no one will notice if you wrecked an eclipse im sure by now the 90-99 eclipses are pretty much all bondo by now... Go wreck those things and stop giving subarus a bad name and making us pay out more $ for your stupidity!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 06scoobyrex View Post
    ouch 350 a month i have an 06 and i only pay 135 a month but then again im 24 married with a 3 month old and a homeowner...

    And as for the teen "fast and the furious" drivers out there if your gonna be wrecking perfectly good and innocent wrx's go practice on some mitsubishi's and give those pos's a worse name as far as the insurance industry is concerned... Im pretty sure no one will notice if you wrecked an eclipse im sure by now the 90-99 eclipses are pretty much all bondo by now... Go wreck those things and stop giving subarus a bad name and making us pay out more $ for your stupidity!!!!
    agree and im 22 with 05 wrx and 2 speeding tickets and my insurance a month is no where near 350$ mine is 150$ and i agree with the fast and ferious statment

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    Quote Originally Posted by akplaaya View Post
    agree and im 22 with 05 wrx and 2 speeding tickets and my insurance a month is no where near 350$ mine is 150$ and i agree with the fast and ferious statment
    yeah it makes all of our premiums go up just cause stupid @ss kids think that just cause they have had their licenses for a month that automatically qualifies them to be race car drivers and then they go out and play chicken with the power poles... Theres a reason that over in europe they wont let you get your licence till your 18... And even then its very expensive and takes around a year... Ive been driving for almost 9 years and i have yet to cause an accedent...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LPPTundWRX View Post
    My parents have not one time contributed a dime in any vehicle I have ever owned. In fact my first car they did give me... Came
    with a bill!
    my first car in 1992 was a 1987 Integra. It was $500. I had to come up with 250 and they matched it. I had to pay for registration/tags and they covered insurance. They said it was the only time they would give me money to buy a car, so I better not wreck it and better make it last. I put 230,000 miles on it (got it with about 130,000)

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    Do some research. Ask your dad for the price range he's willing to do to.

    show him some stats comparing the different cars you want.

    Not sure if you're willing to go through this route... but I'm pretty sure if you opt for a cheaper used wrx that's less that a brand new civic SI he'll go for the cheaper one.

    I have to say though... when my dad and I went out to go test drive cars... I found the civic SI to be incredibly comfortable with a lot more luxuries than the wrx I have now.

    Again, don't ask for more than he's willing to put out for you... best you can do is meet up in the middle of the road with him and make a deal that makes both of you happy.

    I think that's as relavant as I can make this post. Happy hunting!
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