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This is a discussion on 2004 STi vs 2006 M3 within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; Originally Posted by STi300whp whoa whoa whoa.... 510hp? Wow, I didn't know I mentioned that horsepower figure in my posts. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by STi300whp View Post
    whoa whoa whoa.... 510hp? Wow, I didn't know I mentioned that horsepower figure in my posts.

    But if you say so... 510hp then so be it....

    You do know not all supercharged M3's run the same and have the same horsepower figures. This specific one is a personal friend of mine and it's not a very aggressively tuned supercharged M3.
    You didn't mention HP figures, but you did mention the M3 was Active Autowerke supercharged.

    Originally Posted by STi300whp:
    Well, I never took any videos... but I can assure you I've beaten many M3's. I even raced a Supercharged Active Autowerke E46 M3 and I was neck a neck with him from 60-120mph. He was in S4 mode.... he didn't have it in S6 mode on his SMG, but I still was right there with him. I was on my race gas tune
    According to Active Autowerke - BMW Performance, M3 Performance Tuner, BMW Supercharger, BMW Turbo, BMW M3 Turbo, BMW M3 Supercharger, specs for this kit are:

    Power : 510 HP @7600 RPM (Factory 333 HP)
    Torque : 375 ft lbs of torque @5250
    0-60 : 4.2 sec
    Top Speed : delimited
    1/4 Mile : 12.5 sec @ 119mph
    Boost level : 8.0 psi


    But yes, I know that the power levels vary and like I said before, I don't know exactly what "kit" your friend with the E46 has or had, but I was just bringing up that 510hp kit as an example to show how powerful a supercharged M3 can be.

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    330whp on a vf39 tuned for leaded race gas isn't unreasonable in the least bit. I expect around the same if not more when I tune on E85 after the summer blended E85 comes back.

    I myself have 1/4 mile time slips beating C5s, C6's, ISF's, AMGs, SVT cobras, M3's, stock EVOs, supercharged muscle cars, etc. (and even a couple of motorcycles!) all on 91oct with a VF39 and not much else. The driver has a lot to do with the outcome of a race.

    A lot more goes into drag racing than just the power of the car. The 60ft, the shift points, the power band, the final drive, driver aids, and the skill of the driver all are just as, if not more important than how much power the car produces.
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    And yes.. I'm only tuned to 17psi for my 293whp, which is corrected to sea-level.
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    I guess there just isn't much on the road that's a match for a WRX or STi (with a rock star driver).

    I am sad I have to get rid of mine Also sad I never got to experience the massive power potential due to a lack of funding.
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    Wait wait wait, you guys are actually arguing with the guy cause you think STI's can't pull on e46 m3's on the highway or whatever if they only have stage 2 and a tune? MMM, been in the situation, done that. E46 is no big deal on the highway when you have a stage 2 STI. (or when I had )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrinklechops View Post
    I guess there just isn't much on the road that's a match for a WRX or STi
    Like you alluded to earlier.. throw 10,000 dollars in performance parts into anything and there won't be much of a match for it.

    I beat a GSX-R once, and a Harley V-Rod another time at bandimere. I shouldn't have had a chance in hell at winning either of those races. But I did. All I'm saying is crazier things have happened than what this guy is claiming.

    My biggest point was the fact that there's much more to a race than just the # that comes off of the dyno. Whomever this guy raced may have been a severe amateur driver, or someone that was scared of his car, or someone that was scared to ruin something... We don't know the full story, and never will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwdTurboWrx View Post
    Wait wait wait, you guys are actually arguing with the guy cause you think STI's can't pull on e46 m3's on the highway or whatever if they only have stage 2 and a tune? MMM, been in the situation, done that. E46 is no big deal on the highway when you have a stage 2 STI. (or when I had )
    What about a supercharged E46?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinister View Post
    Like you alluded to earlier.. throw 10,000 dollars in performance parts into anything and there won't be much of a match for it.
    True.

    But then it begs the question of reliability and how much power you can really get for $10k. Depends on the car I guess. $10k dumped into my Jeep for example will get me over 600hp and running 10s. A built motor and tranny, the full deal.

    Whereas, $16,000 for an engine for the Subie? Not to mention a tranny?

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    Disclaimer: not trying to turn this into a domestic vs import debate AT ALL. I just think it's safely agreed upon that as far as "cheap power" goes, look no further than some domestic muscle-mobiles. That is, if your thing is going fast in a straight line lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by 302@12psi View Post
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    16K for that built motor is 2x what it "should" be if you did it yourself. If not a little over 2x.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pzr2874 View Post
    16K for that built motor is 2x what it "should" be if you did it yourself. If not a little over 2x.
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    I wish I had that gene though No M3, AMG, M6/M5, Porsche, Dippity Do Dad could stop me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrinklechops View Post
    What about a supercharged E46?
    Obviously you shouldn't be beating a supercharged e46 but any highly modified car will have it's problems and sometimes just not run correctly. My friend had a big turbo 1.8t and that thing was on and off. In fact I've seen supercharged e46 m3 lose to a ls3 stock vette on the highway. Obviously a stage 2 sti shouldn't be beating a correctly running supercharged e46 but it will walk a stock one pretty easily on the highway.
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