2010 Hyundai Genesis

[Wrinklechops]

Okay, so I'm back because I'm curious.



Are there hard statistics out there documenting the lifespan of the typical American V8, for example the 350? I ask because I keep seeing anecdotes about 200,000+ miles, yet mine did not go this far. 1970 Chevy Impala, completely stock, meticulously maintained by my grandfather 'til about 110,000 miles, when I inherited it. I drove it for another 5,000 miles or so, and then had cam shaft failure. It was equipped with a 2bbl Rochester carb, so this wasn't what you'd call a "stressed" engine. Granted, I did drive it like a 16-year-old.

I suppose I don't have "hard statistics" on anything really. I don't suppose anyone else has either. I don't have the time or energy to make a science research project out of proving anything.

I said there are many more cars (foreign AND domestic) that don't reach 300,000 miles than those that do. It's just, of the ones I've heard of that are well over 300,000 miles, they seem to overwhelmingly be American V8 engines - more specifically the Chevrolet 350 or some variant of it. And many of these engines in their respective applications are by no means babied whatsoever and are driven rough, pushed hard, and often not well maintained.

There's a bad apple in every bunch. For those of you who know, my WRX hasn't always lived up to the Japanese reliability reputation that Subarus generally hold.

Slightly off topic:

Discussion about engine longevity IWSTI

Good guys giving some love to American cars there that can run 10 seconds in the 1/4 and still be a reliable daily driver.

[mycologist]

I tried leaving it at that.

Sorry dude I'm just grumpy today from being really sick and having to work all day.

[Wrinklechops]

Sorry dude I'm just grumpy today from being really sick and having to work all day.

I'm sorry too man. You're still sick huh? Are you feeling any better? Did you put down the Glenrothes?

[mycologist]

I'm sorry too man. You're still sick huh? Are you feeling any better? Did you put down the Glenrothes?

I still have a little left - at least it is helping my attitude.

[Wrinklechops]

I still have a little left - at least it is helping my attitude.

Whatever does the trick Are you down with the swine flu?

[mycologist]

Whatever does the trick Are you down with the swine flu?

I don't know, but I'm going to break it like Chuck Norris if it is. I worry about my wife getting that though.

Seriously though, I do teach younger people the nuances of constructing arguments and also evaluate older people's arguments as a reviewer for multiple international journals.

I think you know where you went wrong, but the idea is to have a goal in mind and a plan ahead of time with logical preferably linear steps to get to your goal. Also, predicting where dissent will come from and having a plan to diffuse it is always a good idea. Hence, if your goal was refined initially to demonstrate that an American V8 was a great motor for what it was, you could have had an easy time of carrying it. If you had also had a separate goal of praising American products, you could have also easily carried that. Putting the two together though makes a very weak position.

[302@12psi]

I refuse to go into personal digs when the other person can not have a logical debate or accept the fact that their idea might be wrong.

And why would I close something down when you repeatedly make yourself look rediculous with your "points".

It's much more fun to leave it open in hope that more of your friends will email you in reference to it. Maybe by the end of all this we'll come complete circle and realize that briggs and stratton lawn mowers are better then any other brand. Go "Made in the USA".


As for your "last word" comment....closing a pointless thread and making a post at the end of it...yup that really does it for me. Makes me feel important.

[Wrinklechops]

I don't know, but I'm going to break it like Chuck Norris if it is. I worry about my wife getting that though.

Seriously though, I do teach younger people the nuances of constructing arguments and also evaluate older people's arguments as a reviewer for multiple international journals.

I think you know where you went wrong, but the idea is to have a goal in mind and a plan ahead of time with logical preferably linear steps to get to your goal. Also, predicting where dissent will come from and having a plan to diffuse it is always a good idea. Hence, if your goal was refined initially to demonstrate that an American V8 was a great motor for what it was, you could have had an easy time of carrying it. If you had also had a separate goal of praising American products, you could have also easily carried that. Putting the two together though makes a very weak position.

Sidetracked I got, yes, mmm hmm (in Yoda voice). I really had no intention of any goal or end pursuit... I sort of casually remarked that the V8s should be left to the Americans. I said the truly brutally powerful NA engines we grew up loving were American for the most part. I should have left it alone.

Funny you should mention constructing arguments and the such as I'm taking an awesome Philosophy class this semester and we're really getting deep into Logic and I love it! I sort of feel like Socrates on trial here

I refuse to go into personal digs when the other person can not have a logical debate or accept the fact that their idea might be wrong.

And why would I close something down when you repeatedly make yourself look ridiculous (spell check) with your "points".

What idea of mine was wrong? Was my opinion wrong? Was my opening-a-can-of-worms-comment-about-American-V8s wrong?

You say you refuse to go into personal digs yet you have repeatedly called me a "fan boi", et. al.

I don't make myself look any more ridiculous with my points than you do with your spelling

[302@12psi]

You're right....typo's on the internet should not be allowed.....


Consider this me getting my last word in...