This is a discussion on 2009 WRX vs. Mazdaspeed 3 within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; Originally Posted by kickniteasy the premiums can get that high depending on options. IMO there's nothing the premiums add that ...
Mine is a Premium, everything but Nav. Sticker was 29,xxx and got it down to 25,xxx + inequity from a trade in, which put it back to sticker.
2011 Honda CR-Z EX
Milano Red / Navigation / 6MT
2009 WRX hatch premium SEM #52 Traded 7/28/11
Kartboy STS & bushings // RedlineGoods Shifter & E-brake boots // Muffler delete pipe // Window tint //
The premium (w/o navi) is basically 2k more. To me, it's worth it as I'm not really going to mod the car and I just wanted a little extra than what the base offers. Fog lights, moon roof, heated mirrors, windshield wiper de-icers, heated seats, and 10-speaker stereo (the stereo could be better, but it's still better than the base).
To say it's not worth it is subjective, but 2k more for those features is not breaking the bank or a rip-off, IMO.
Good run! I just got my new 09 MS3... however I was considering the WRX hatch prem. but the pricing was a bit more than the MS3. I got the MS3 GT (Hid,auto-on lights, rain-sensing wipers, led tail lights) for about 22K +ttl = 23600.
For the 09 WRX - it would have been at least 4-5K cheaper than the WRX prem. I did want AWD though!
IMHO I really think your paying for that AWD... I like the MS3's but I just cant do another FWD car... Im all about the rear wheel if I cant get my AWD. But you do get a lot of car for the price you pay with the ms3's thats for sure...
What do you mean your limited in torque in 1st and 2nd? Is that to help protect the transmission?
Last edited by Poohbear; 08-25-2009 at 09:28 PM.
However when it came down to it, the MS3 was cheaper and had more standard features. I really wanted the AWD - but didn't find it worth the extra bucks... at least to me.
My other choice was a 08 350Z - would been about the same price as the WRX and it's RWD... but I felt the MS3 was good enough for a fun daily driver.
Mazda uses some sort of advanced Torque Management System that limits boost in 1st and 2nd to reduce torquesteer (FWD FTL)... only in 3rd gear does it get all of the power and the 280 ft lb of torque. This is why I was curious at what speed they did the roll. These MS3 flys at mid speed rolls (around 40-50).
2009 WRX Prem Hatch:
Cobb stage II, Kartboy SS, SPT Catback, Cobb DP, WL Sways, Perrin/AVO Endlinks, Conti DWS
99 Civic Si (RIP), 2004 WRX, 2006 STI Cobb stage II
Wait... how is stock WRX making 270 ft lb of torque to the wheels?
Aren't they rated at 244 ft lb of torque at crank?!
Thats really odd that mazda would limit in first and second, I would think the loss is negligible though... Torque steer can be a pain but it was never something that i thought to myself; "gee this torque steer should be eliminated by limiting my motors power"... I wonder if a tune would take care of that or if its its own stand alone system...
i'm confused. haha... i knew the 09 WRX had power but that's some sick numbers. I saw a car and driver dyno of their 08 STi and it only made 235hp and 254 ft lb...
I guess a lot has to do with the type of dyno too. I hear Mustang dyno aren't as nice with the numbers.
Anyways as the MS3 goes, I'm don't think a tune will change the limited torque... i believe it is its own stand alone system... Not completely sure though.
However with that being said its possible I guess. Just remember that most car manufacturers under rate the cars actuall numbers for any great amount of reasons. In Japan no matter the car they always have the same top HP.. (i think its 280 or 288 or some junk) for insurance reasons... By a skyline the dealer will say 280 lol...
friend of mine just made that purchase, hes stationed off base in japan thats how i got that info. the insurance is all kinds of off in that country. If you get hit while your car is parked in a legal parking spot, the wreck is partially your fault because your car shouldn't have been there to begin with according to japan insurance and law..
I havent really seen a plethora of information about stock dyno numbers available for the 09... Most of what I find are numbers in % from manufactures, not actual labeled graphs from owners. Were all just going to have to wait and see..
Or everyone can send me some money for some dyno time and ill post numbers