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This is a discussion on Stock 04 wrx vs turboed civic within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; Originally Posted by xsnapshot Where did you come up with this 5 minute number? I run 19 psi so for ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnapshot View Post
    Where did you come up with this 5 minute number? I run 19 psi so for me its important. I can't imagine not replacing it.

    BTW its not redline (or specific RPM for that matter) that determines if a catcon will fail. Its a combination of EGT, AFR's, and CFM. The most detrimental combinations of which do not always take place at redline.

    I believe you that you have only heard of a couple people that have had such a failure, but when its not covered by warranty, is not 10hp gain + quicker spool + no chance of dead turbo worth 10$ in gaskets and a little time?
    Not even close to what I was saying... All of which you speak of is minimal on the stock charger. And if you have HIGH EGT's and HIGH CFM's then you aren't running a stock charger nor are you running a stock up pipe and exhaust manifold... both of which bring up EGT's (along with a couple others)

    Can't see it not being covered by warranty, but then again, I don't have the issue. I agree, $10 in gaskets and an hour or 2 of time is worth it.... Then again.... the OP may not be doing his own work... therfor replacing the UP is a 300-400 job w/parts. Hence the reason I said to get the AP and a DP for now and THEN get the UP done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pzr2874 View Post
    get the AP and a DP for now and THEN get the UP done.
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    The UP has been debated and you are on the wrong side of the fence. It has happened fairly often actually....not everyone who owns a WRX is on a forum. From talking to several tech's it's a bit more of an issue then 1-2 cases.


    And most of those cars with the catted UP are out of warranty or coming up on the warranty being out. The cat does not break down in 10-40k miles. High heat cycles breaks the material down. They break down over time due to the nature of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 302@12psi View Post
    The UP has been debated and you are on the wrong side of the fence. It has happened fairly often actually....not everyone who owns a WRX is on a forum. From talking to several tech's it's a bit more of an issue then 1-2 cases.


    And most of those cars with the catted UP are out of warranty or coming up on the warranty being out. The cat does not break down in 10-40k miles. High heat cycles breaks the material down. They break down over time due to the nature of them.

    On 3 forums in the last 2 years, I have heard of 2-3 cases. And if people did not purchase an extended warranty, then so be it.

    But ok. I don't have the issue. I never said not to change it out. Just not at an alarming rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pzr2874 View Post
    On 3 forums in the last 2 years, I have heard of 2-3 cases. And if people did not purchase an extended warranty, then so be it.
    Are you really saying that repair expense of a cat breaking up and going into the intake is the fault of the car owner, because he didn't purchase an extended warranty? Hmmm...I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with that. My expectations for Japanese cars are a bit higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    Are you really saying that repair expense of a cat breaking up and going into the intake is the fault of the car owner, because he didn't purchase an extended warranty? Hmmm...I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with that. My expectations for Japanese cars are a bit higher.

    No, quite the opposite.... I only have a 3 yr. It's a faulty piece.

    All I'm saying is that these sorts of issues should be taken care of by the owner.... Every car has it's vice... Some more than others.

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    BUT... I do think that the cat in the UP grenading the turbo is a little over exagerated, especially for a stock car w/not many miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pzr2874 View Post
    Can't see it not being covered by warranty, but then again, I don't have the issue. I agree, $10 in gaskets and an hour or 2 of time is worth it.... Then again.... the OP may not be doing his own work... therfor replacing the UP is a 300-400 job w/parts. Hence the reason I said to get the AP and a DP for now and THEN get the UP done.
    You won't have a warranty if you switch out your downpipe and get engine management. You should know this.

    And 2-3 people on 3 different forums in 2 years? How many forums are there? (many) How many people don't belong to a forum? (a good chunk) How many years has the WRX had a catted uppipe? (4)


    There's a lot your not seeing. Which is ok, just don't base your advice off of a narrow window of experience.

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    You know, I put a little more thought into the cat sucking into the turbo.... I think it is the drivers fault if it happens. Get this:

    1. If a person doesn't know about it and it happens... Then it's their fault for not researching/homework on the car.
    2. If it happens and the driver doesn't have the guts to fight SOA to fix the issue.... Driver's fault.


    As far as narrow experience junior, who's the one needing to replace pieces at their OWN expense when SOA should be paying for it in the first place ?

    1. Nothing is voided on my car that can't be switched back if I need be.
    2. I know that doing a bunch of stuff to a car is asking for $$ out of my own pocket.
    3. I wouldn't play the game if I didn't wanna pay to play.

    Then again.... I don't own THAT exact vehicle, so I wouldn't know anything about WRX's at all. I'm done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pzr2874 View Post
    You know, I put a little more thought into the cat sucking into the turbo.... I think it is the drivers fault if it happens. Get this:

    1. If a person doesn't know about it and it happens... Then it's their fault for not researching/homework on the car.
    2. If it happens and the driver doesn't have the guts to fight SOA to fix the issue.... Driver's fault.


    As far as narrow experience junior, who's the one needing to replace pieces at their OWN expense when SOA should be paying for it in the first place ?

    1. Nothing is voided on my car that can't be switched back if I need be.
    2. I know that doing a bunch of stuff to a car is asking for $$ out of my own pocket.
    3. I wouldn't play the game if I didn't wanna pay to play.

    Then again.... I don't own THAT exact vehicle, so I wouldn't know anything about WRX's at all. I'm done.

    I'm not sure how you meant that, but FYI I wasn't trying to insult you. I never had to replace my uppipe. I wanted to. As far as the SOA is concerned, it would have cost me more time/money/hassle to have them do warranty work to swap uppipes than it would for me to remove-gut-reinstall my own, so that's a win/win situation there. (in this specific case)

    1. Cat failure should not be a problem. Subaru SHOULD have desinged the car differently. However they did not. You should not have to mod your car to remove a potential OEM ticking time bomb. This makes it a design flaw Subaru created, so it's technically their fault. (if failure happens while stock). Although the more you know about your car, the less you should be surprised if it happens. And if you mod (hp wise) your car its completely your fault for not replacing it.

    2. What your saying makes no sense. You say that because the driver doesn't have the guts to fight the SOA, the incident of the cat failing is his fault. The lack of receiving reimbursement for the repair work WOULD be his fault if it occurred under warranty while stock. NOT the act of the cat failing and resulting damage. However these failures seem to usually occur until after the warranty has expired (if stock), so then your just SOL.

    Again this is a fairly plain and simple issue. Remove the cat if you never want to worry about it failing. Period.

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    ^^^^Just made post 311...and he's from Nebraska...for those that know what I'm talking about.
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    No shot back intended... I never once said not to replace the UP or fix the issue to the OP. All I advised was that it's not an URGENT issue, and it can wait till after he has the other items done (to get his race on). These forums are a plethora of information and ppl all over, but not all these cars are the same, and not every1 drives the same (facts).

    BTW.... Have a question for xsnapshot :
    Does SOA or your warranty cover any mishaps w/the charger and all that if your UP is gutted by you?

    I'll save you the hassle of calling and looking it up.... The answer is no... It's still a modification and still not done by a licenced dealer (unless it was) which I doubt.

    Not trying to dog anybody. I was simply stating what I know and advising the thread starter. Sorry if I have irritated anyone. Subscribed BTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pzr2874 View Post
    On 3 forums in the last 2 years, I have heard of 2-3 cases. And if people did not purchase an extended warranty, then so be it.

    But ok. I don't have the issue. I never said not to change it out. Just not at an alarming rate.
    I've heard of several more then that in my 5 years.


    Is it an issue that EVERY uppipe be removed NOW!!!!! Or the thing is going to blow?


    No I wouldnt say that.

    Is it something that a modded car with any extra boost should delete...yes.

    Is it something that once you start getting high on the miles you should replace??? Yes.

    The material inside the cat by nature breaks down. And when it does it's not going to go upstream.

    Subaru more then likely realized this...and figured it wouldnt matter since the majority of them is going to break out of warranty.
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    aren't emission controlled and related issues warrantied longer then the rest? the cat is a emissions device and is warrantied for example 8yr/80kmiles on my infiniti. if the cat fails and it causes engine failure why wouldn't it be covered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pzr2874 View Post
    BTW.... Have a question for xsnapshot :
    Does SOA or your warranty cover any mishaps w/the charger and all that if your UP is gutted by you?
    The warranty was well over when i bought the car. And i would never expect for SOA to pay for any mishaps that occurred if i modified something. If i somehow implied that i did not understand this, then that was my bad, but I fully realize this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2004NeonSRT4 View Post
    aren't emission controlled and related issues warrantied longer then the rest? the cat is a emissions device and is warrantied for example 8yr/80kmiles on my infiniti. if the cat fails and it causes engine failure why wouldn't it be covered?
    This is a good question. I do not know the answer to that. Maybe someone else can chime in?

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