06 stg.2 wrx vs M3

[farBeyondDriven]

They weigh under 3,200 lbs which is just as heavy (if not a tad lighter) than a wrx.

I thought I read somewhere the early model E36 M3's were pretty heavy. Can't remember where though, I could be wrong.

lol okay, you keep thinking that. I used to beat them off a stop in a stage 2 wrx and with a sti same thing, off a roll didn't happen till stage 2 sti. Oh and if by 80 he had 2 car lengths on you by 100 he would have even more then that and by 120 you'd be going backward, now imagine if you didn't launch how bad he woulda destroyed you, but this guy rolling off the line with m3 getting a jump caught up, right.

You beat an M3 in an STI? Interesting. I always thought E46 M3's were slightly faster than an STI stock for stock, from what I've seen at the track.

[TurboWill]

Nice, I can't wait to run a wrx, Evo.

[Mikie13]

Nice, I can't wait to run a wrx, Evo.

I fail to see how an Stage 2 WRX can beat an e46 M3...I mean with numbers and speculation it is all paper racing, but some of these numbers don't lie.

M3s are torque and BEASTS in the top end...the launch might have the upper hand, but it should be soon lost.

In the top end, M3s are a bit faster stock for stock against an STI...but it will take a little to get there. I raced one stock when I was stock.

I can now pass them pretty well though

[TurboWill]

I fail to see how an Stage 2 WRX can beat an e46 M3...I mean with numbers and speculation it is all paper racing, but some of these numbers don't lie.

M3s are torque and BEASTS in the top end...the launch might have the upper hand, but it should be soon lost.

In the top end, M3s are a bit faster stock for stock against an STI...but it will take a little to get there. I raced one stock when I was stock.

I can now pass them pretty well though

Well I have owned modded Evo's and a Sti. I know there potential. I am stage one Dinan and have a cam. Fastest thing Ive pulled on so far was a new model S4. I think he was stock.

[DTR rex]

I thought I read somewhere the early model E36 M3's were pretty heavy. Can't remember where though, I could be wrong.

Curb weight listed at bottom of article @ 3,175:
http://www.motortrend.com/buyersguid...95_1999_bmw_m3

Curb weight listed in middle of article @ 3,230 and 3,170:
http://www.m3zine.com/index.php?opti...d=14&Itemid=45

Curb weigth listed here towards the end @ 3,109:
http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/HTML/bmw_m3_e36.html



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I would also like to note that "light-weight" E36 M3's were produced (only 120-125 per year though) that only weighed in at 2,900 lbs.

The light-weight is actually what makes the E36 M3 so attractive and why many Bimmer enthusiests (including my friends dad) prefer to own E36's that are properly modded over their more expensive E46 counterpart which weighs nearly 500 lbs more and is not nearly as nimble.
An E36 M3 with a solid streetable suspension setup and some basic bolt on's is quite a driving experience actually.

[AwdTurboWrx]

M3s are torque :

TORQUE??? what torque lol, new e92 m3's wont even have as much torque as a sti.

[AwdTurboWrx]

I thought I read somewhere the early model E36 M3's were pretty heavy. Can't remember where though, I could be wrong.



You beat an M3 in an STI? Interesting. I always thought E46 M3's were slightly faster than an STI stock for stock, from what I've seen at the track.

Like i said, off a stop i've never had a problem with a m3 at a drag strip, off a roll with stage 2 i beat them. I don't even remember the last time i raced nething.

[YBNormal07]

Curb weight listed at bottom of article @ 3,175:
http://www.motortrend.com/buyersguid...95_1999_bmw_m3

Curb weight listed in middle of article @ 3,230 and 3,170:
http://www.m3zine.com/index.php?opti...d=14&Itemid=45

Curb weigth listed here towards the end @ 3,109:
http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/HTML/bmw_m3_e36.html



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I would also like to note that "light-weight" E36 M3's were produced (only 120-125 per year though) that only weighed in at 2,900 lbs.

The light-weight is actually what makes the E36 M3 so attractive and why many Bimmer enthusiests (including my friends dad) prefer to own E36's that are properly modded over their more expensive E46 counterpart which weighs nearly 500 lbs more and is not nearly as nimble.
An E36 M3 with a solid streetable suspension setup and some basic bolt on's is quite a driving experience actually.

I agree about the e36 racing experience. Plus, the sound of the bmw straight 6 in a race prepped condition in unmistakable and very nice....I love that basso beat that seems to thump you in the chest on each cylinder stroke. They sound like they are on the ragged edge, and yet they just keep on going. I'm still way more impressed with an e36 than I have been with the e46.

[Juice33]

TORQUE??? what torque lol, new e92 m3's wont even have as much torque as a sti.

Yes! 265 ft/lbs of ground pounding tourque!

Seriously folks let's not get carried away here, the M3 is a sweet car, probably my next car (I am contemplating a sick on one ebay right now) but they are definately lacking in the tourque dept and are decently quick, but by no means anywhere near scary fast.

[farBeyondDriven]

Curb weight listed at bottom of article @ 3,175:
http://www.motortrend.com/buyersguid...95_1999_bmw_m3

Curb weight listed in middle of article @ 3,230 and 3,170:
http://www.m3zine.com/index.php?opti...d=14&Itemid=45

Curb weigth listed here towards the end @ 3,109:
http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/HTML/bmw_m3_e36.html



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I would also like to note that "light-weight" E36 M3's were produced (only 120-125 per year though) that only weighed in at 2,900 lbs.

The light-weight is actually what makes the E36 M3 so attractive and why many Bimmer enthusiests (including my friends dad) prefer to own E36's that are properly modded over their more expensive E46 counterpart which weighs nearly 500 lbs more and is not nearly as nimble.
An E36 M3 with a solid streetable suspension setup and some basic bolt on's is quite a driving experience actually.

So they seem to vary between 3,109 and 3,230 lbs. over the years? I remember the M3 CSL or M3 Lightweight, bad ass but uber rare.

Exactly what bolt-ons are you talking about? I've read the E46 M3 doesn't have significant potential until you go FI. Never really read much into the E36 M3's motor except a few articles on how great it responds to boost.

I came back to this thread because I raced an E36 M3 last night and it hung with me WAY better than the last one I raced. I know they have great top end so I wanted to see how quick he could reel me in. I think it would have definitely took me from a roll the way he was up my ass when I took off. I was surprised to edge away from the last one I raced, I figure it was automatic.

[AwdTurboWrx]

So they seem to vary between 3,109 and 3,230 lbs. over the years? I remember the M3 CSL or M3 Lightweight, bad ass but uber rare.

Exactly what bolt-ons are you talking about? I've read the E46 M3 doesn't have significant potential until you go FI. Never really read much into the E36 M3's motor except a few articles on how great it responds to boost.

I came back to this thread because I raced an E36 M3 last night and it hung with me WAY better than the last one I raced. I know they have great top end so I wanted to see how quick he could reel me in. I think it would have definitely took me from a roll the way he was up my ass when I took off. I was surprised to edge away from the last one I raced, I figure it was automatic.

welcome 2 reality, now imagine what an e46 would of done and these guys claims.

[farBeyondDriven]

welcome 2 reality, now imagine what an e46 would of done and these guys claims.

I've known the potential of the E36 and E46 (in stock form) all along. Like I said before, I was surprised I edged out the automatic E36. Also, I was the one questioning you beating the E46 from a dig stock in an STI as they're not that hard to launch and seem to get consistent very low 13's. As for the guy who says a Stage 2 WRX beat an E46 from a roll, most likely the E46 wasn't racing, was automatic or sucky driver, or all three.

[YBNormal07]

From a dig, an E46 will not catch an STi until well into triple digits. Been there, done that. frumaroll of around 60, it is very close, but the E46 starts to pull around 90. All done on a closed course with professional drivers

I still remember my first track day with my buddy as an instructor. He had just purchased an e46 and couldn't believe how well the STi compared to it on the track. Once you learn the lines for the AWD and the way the diffs work, we both felt the STi was more fun, and was superior in the twisties (oddly enough), but that the e46 was WAY easier to drive at the limit and had superior top end (I could hit ~135 at the end of the straigh...he was into the high 130's, low 140's depending upon entrance speed).

Dollor for doller, I would still take the STi. If someone were to offer me either one for free...it's a no-brainer...e46.

[AwdTurboWrx]

that sounds right for stock on stock. Stage 2 sti, bye bye e46 anyway u want it.

[KwanDDS]

So what does a Stage 2 WRX run 0-60 and 1/4 mile?
and what does a Stage 2 STi run 0-60 and 1/4 mile?