ah these threads never get old. for the mod for mod value i'll throw this in the pot 1700 in mods ran a 12.64 and 3700 in mods ran a 11.76. look up srtgurl and.... i'm drawing a blank on his name. silverscooby thats it. on srtforums. also someone just went 11.97 on the stock turbo with just bolts on and no spray. dollar for dollar there is no comparsion. but go ahead and fight back with reliability and durability and retail trade in values and your interiors. if it makes you feel better. also stock for stock a reg srt4 is better in the turn then a wrx. put 500 in good tires and it changes. but come right back with the acr for a whole 1500 more and your seeing tailights again. hey you should ask him to rally race in the snow and rain you'll win then. also our fastest stock car down to the paper filter and wheel hoping his way to a 13.64@101.