Another thing...

But if you were to ask which one would last longer, most people would said japanese.

Quite frankly, most people are sheep who believe whatever other people tell them, regardless facts.

 

Well, we have a Caddy with over 260K miles that runs fine still, and that's the fact. What's your point?

The *cough* was because of your blanket statement that reeked of fanboy-ness. Now, DTR, Midknight, and others actually gave good arguments for their points, as well as Slick:6:STi and Gloveperson, even though they were arguing from different sides. They even gave references to factual links (that were already posted in the thread) that gave thorough statistical proof (the JD Power report) to back up their point.

Now, you have a friend who's Ford died after 100K miles. JD Powers, on the other hand, conducts a very wide sweeping survey showing several domestic brands (namely Cadillac and Buick) being MORE reliable than even Honda and Toyota, though Chevy (not by much) and Ford lagged behind. The cough was also in pointing out the factual (not "this happened to my friend, therefore it's true) evidence contradicted your claim.

If you're going to take one side or another, quit sounding like a fanboy and at least make an intelligent argument to back up your point. Others have (on your side, even) but have been able to do so and maintain a good amount of credibility. You sound more like a ricer than a car "enthusiast" (one who appreciates ALL cars). Enthusiasts actually know what they're talking about, whereas ricers...well...don't.

(and before anyone accuses me of being a domestic fanboy, I'm also usually the one calling out people like WiCkeDrEx who make "imports suck compared to any domestic" statements as well. It's just that I don't see much of that side going on here )

Wow you must have a lot of time to type all this up for me. Thank you for wasting your time because i have no time to read your long post... lol smart boy...

 

You ARE only 17, aren't you? Thanks for conceding the argument.

 

DTR, what's up with your debate? I never said in all cases. But if you were to ask which one would last longer, most people would said japanese. I meant japanese (imports) not German (imports). Even you stated domestic is not as reliable...

yeah, I know in general imports are more reliable... But I was just clearing up the whole VW, Audi thing for the record. Some American cars will go long, but for the most part, they are not even SLIGHTLY or REMOTELY close to companies such as Toyota and Honda.

 

yeah, I know in general imports are more reliable... But I was just clearing up the whole VW, Audi thing for the record. Some American cars will go long, but for the most part, they are not even SLIGHTLY or REMOTELY close to companies such as Toyota and Honda.

except buick and lincoln as of late. Those suckers last forever.

 

except buick and lincoln as of late. Those suckers last forever.

eh, again... It is all relative.

I have seen both with mad problems. One of the biggest parts of how reliable your car is depends on how you take car of it though... That can make ALL the difference.

 

why buy CTS-V if you can have GTO?????
Same company, same engine, but $20k cheaper.

 

I gotta chime in here.

Because noone has mentioned how fugly the CTS is. The angles on the front end make my eyes hurt.

If you want to spend 50k on a mega sedan my vote is an e39 m5. The last real bimmer before they threw the classic look into the sh!tter, and went to a SMG gearbox. (I don't how great it shifts, I wanna shift myself).

 

The CTS V is one of the only American cars that I have seen car mags in Europe rave about. I would consider one.

 

why buy CTS-V if you can have GTO?????
Same company, same engine, but $20k cheaper.

Easy, they have different engines (LS6- CTS V/ LS2- GTO), the CTS-V has style and nice lines (IMO) while the GTO looks like a bloated cavalier sometimes and other times it looks like a grand am. And while the interior of the GTO is nice, it is not as nice as the CTS-V.

 

Easy, they have different engines (LS6- CTS V/ LS2- GTO), the CTS-V has style and nice lines (IMO) while the GTO looks like a bloated cavalier sometimes and other times it looks like a grand am. And while the interior of the GTO is nice, it is not as nice as the CTS-V.

but both are 6.0l V8 with 400HP so it's no difference to me
and both have same low quality materials used to finish the interior so it dosn't matter either :sadwave:

 

there was a cts-v at englishtown on subaru vs. evo day. i forget the times it putting up but i can remember that the car roared. it was pretty loud.

 

but both are 6.0l V8 with 400HP so it's no difference to me
and both have same low quality materials used to finish the interior so it dosn't matter either :sadwave:

Oh yes, so your WRX has better interior. Haha, that is good stuff. Did you gut the car and put in a totally new interior?

And I believe the the Caddy is a 5.7L so yeah it is a different engine.

Don't be an import fanboy, it is very unbecoming of you.

 

there was a cts-v at englishtown on subaru vs. evo day. i forget the times it putting up but i can remember that the car roared. it was pretty loud.

That was the one with the heads, cam and exhaust. It was sick, I ran into him on the highway. And then talked to him for a while at e-town. 480 at the wheels if I remember correctly.

 

Oh yes, so your WRX has better interior. Haha, that is good stuff. Did you gut the car and put in a totally new interior?

And I believe the the Caddy is a 5.7L so yeah it is a different engine.

Don't be an import fanboy, it is very unbecoming of you.

ummm in some parts, yes, WRX dashboard is better because it's soft, no cheap gray plastic there. And why shouldn't i be an import fanboy, there is no single Domestic car that i'd want now (assuming we talk about GTO being originally Autralian Holden) because they all handle like boats and please let's not go back to the interior quality.

 

ummm in some parts, yes, WRX dashboard is better because it's soft, no cheap gray plastic there. And why shouldn't i be an import fanboy, there is no single Domestic car that i'd want now (assuming we talk about GTO being originally Autralian Holden) because they all handle like boats and please let's not go back to the interior quality.

HAHA, it's soft so it is a better interior, wow. I guess the leather and all of the other goodies in the CTS-V is just crap compared to your WRX. I have been in plenty of WRXs and STis (I had one), and the interior isn't even close to a CTS-V or the GTO. I will wager money you have never been in either car so your opinion is basically moot anyway. You are just giving the typical ricer argument, about handling and whatnot. Go out and drive some cars, not cavaliers, and you will see how wrong you are. You probably think a WRX handles better than the new Vette too, get a clue.

 

FYI i've been doing a valet job for about 2 years and most likely drove cars that both me and you won't be able to afford in near future. But that's irrelevant because we're talking now about caddies and "american quality" in general. I drove pretty much everyting that's on the road right now, and i've been doing it every day so i know what looks and kinda drives. And again there is nothing domestic on the road now that can compare to equal value of an import. WRX is not over $50k car, why don't you compare a $50k imported car to your CTS-V?? Because there is no comparision :thumbdown :thumbdown
WRX has way better materials than $23k worth domestic car, yeah i like the dashboard soft so it doesnt feel like Rubbermaid plastic garbage can when you touch it.
Well maybe ricers do have point, don't you think? Or maybe to you everyone is a ricer who cares about anything more than a huge engine and 1/4 mile times :baaa: :baaa:

 

oh, and i encourage you to get out of your cobra and drive some decent cars and you'll feel what i'm talking about, and by "drive" i don't mean flooring it and going "OMG thtat thing is f'n fast, who gives a damn if it's crappy on the inside" :sadwave:

 

Rally you are a numb nut. I had an STi, I have had a 5 series BMW, I now have a Cobra, I had an 87 Ford Country Squire Station wagon, I have driven my uncles turbo 911 and his 360 Modena Challenge Stradale. So I think I have been in some decent cars. OOH you are a vlaet guy, you must get to drive the piss out of cars for like 10 seconds, and taking those curves in the parking garage must be a real great experience. BTW, the softest dash was the 87, so that must have been the best interior. All that hard CF in the 360 definately felt like crap to me. You were the one who said the WRX had a better interior so I compared it to the WRX, also there is cheap plastic in the dash of the WRX, look at your stereo area and you might notice it there, also around the vents, and even if you got the CF replacement set, guess what, it is still plastic and just looks like CF. :rotfl:

I called you a ricer fanboy because that is what you are. You will only give credit to imports and since you don't know anything about domestics, or you just listen to what all your friends with Hondas have to say, you think just like the rest of them. Oh wait you drive them once in a while for 2 minutes ata time, you do really know your stuff, I guess

 

oh, so now only honda is an import, or maybe that's the car you only know ?? You still didn't compare price to price. And it is cool to be Valet and i'm not ashamed of it because when you take BMW or VW or Lexus for a 2 minute spin and than you jump in to some POS Ford you can feel the difference right away. At least i don't go to "my uncle has... my friend drove this and he told me..." bull crap. You had Crappy Fords, BMW and STi and if you still can't see the difference between these two imports and the domestics than you're not worth talking to. :baaa: :baaa: :baaa:
I didn't say WRX interior, to be specific, i said dashboard which has a nice feel to it. There is some worse plastics here and there but once again it's not $50k car.
So i'm ricer, just like this whole forum because i dirive WRX and i like it, i'll live with it. Go take your domstic crap to the strip where you can jerk off to it because you did 11sec time, and than put it into a garage for the winter, and i'll be laughing my a$$ off at you. :rotfl: :rotfl: Thank you and i'm not talking to you because you obviously can't understand what i'm talking about.

 

Rally you are an idiot, read closer next time. I said I drove the cars, remember you said I need to go out and drive different cars, you can't even get your arguments straight. You are a ricer if you think your WRX has a better anything than a CTS-V, just because you own it doesn't mean it is the end all be all, and you did say it had a nicer dash, even though you claim there is no cheap plastic, which there is. My "POS Ford" is better than your WRX, in just about evey way except in the snow, it is faster and believe it or not handles better too with its IRS, if you know what that is. If you knew anything about cars this would be a worthwhile argument, but you can go back to sudying for quizes in high school and maybe one day get a career rather than a job.

 

Oh yeah, the starter on my Brother's 2004 WRX went out on him the other day, it only has 19,000 miles on it. :rotfl: And the funny thing is I convinced him to get it and a buddy of mine to get one because I like the cars. And I got them a great hook-up on their deals.

Stop being butt hurt because I don't think your WRX is totally wicked awesome. BTW, I can afford a winter car so I don't have to worry about driving my Cobra in the winter, even though driving a car in the winter is just so cool.

 

UPDATE: I just got off the phone with my Bro, he needs new vavlve heads, his timing belt jumped while he was moving the car in his driveway, that is nuts. And the irony of it all...

He now nas to drive his 1989 "Ford POS" Mustang GT, the one he has never had a problem with. :rotfl:

 

How in the hell can anyone compare a CTS-V to a WRX or STi??? Seriously...stay away from the paint chips, and move out from underneath the high power lines. A CTS-V is in SUCH a different world than a WRX or STi...that's like trying to compare a Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0 to a Kia Rio...(and for those of you who will take that analogy literally...recess is almost over...go back to class)...it just can't be done...they are in 2 different classes...

why buy CTS-V if you can have GTO?????
Same company, same engine, but $20k cheaper.

Because of the simple refinements of a Cadillac as compared to a GTO...durrrrrrr...

And I believe the the Caddy is a 5.7L so yeah it is a different engine.

You are correct...

WRX dashboard is better because it's soft

What? Is yers wrapped in pink shag carpet?? How would you consider a WRX dash soft?

oh, and i encourage you to get out of your cobra and drive some decent cars

Unless you've been in HIS Cobra...STFU.

And it is cool to be Valet and i'm not ashamed of it because when you take BMW or VW or Lexus for a 2 minute spin

Hmmmmm...a 2 min spin? From the front door to a parking spot?? And you can actually tell what a car is like from that...or are you one of those douche-bag valets that rips on the cars they're parking??

Isn't it funny....that the majority of the posts I'm quoting, come from a person that as it seems to me...has no idea what in the hell they are talking about. Continue to drive your WRX...continue to talk smack about something that you haven't the faintest comcept of...and please...post where you are a valet at...so I'll know never to go there, nor to send anyone that I know.

 

ok...this thread is kind of getting oriented more towards personalities and not towards the original posters aims. Please keep the personal comments you yourselves and focus on the issue at hand. Some decent info in this thread...I would hate to have it locked.

Cheers...and please play nice :tongue: