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    Buy 2015 WRX CVT or 2014 Lancer Ralliart twin-clutch?

    Heading down to dealers tomorrow, not gonna buy either of them tomorrow for sure, but will test drive both.
    My requirement is a bit strange, I *need* to get the automatic tranny, because my wife and I are gonna share this car, so auto is a must

    The dealers here seem very eager to sell the CVT model (probably no one wants them ... ?)
    Got a quote for Premium model $29000 (Edmund invoice price is $28743), which isn't bad but not great either, and I still hope for some more reduction.

    The Mitsu dealer gave me quote on '14 Ralliart for 26850 (Edmund invoice price 28006), which is a solid 2k less then the WRX (and 1k below invoice!), plus, it got a twin-clutch automatic tranny!

    I know wrx is certainly the one with better value here (more reliable, more power, new engine, new model, prob lower insurance rate), but I'm not sure if I can get below invoice for it. Also, I'm a bit on the fence on CVT vs. twin-clutch, I heard twin-clutch is kinda clunky at low speeds, while really smooth when driving hard, does anyone have experience on this? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    Both great cars. Drive both and buy the one you like the best!
    Thanks zax I'll report my findings after test drive tomorrow.

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    I compared a VW DSG against a WRX CVT. Between the 2, I found the CVT to be leagues better puttering around town. It is very smooth, and FEELS like a normal auto when creeping and starting from a dead stop. At higher speeds, the CVT in manual felt roughly as fast as the DSG. I feel like the paddles on VW were nicer. I also think that the "8 gears" in S# are a little excessive. That said, I thought the WRX auto was on the whole better than the DSG. My concern, however, is with regards to reliability. Being that CVT has a constant slipping by function, I worry that tuning is ruled out all together, and knowing what I know about Audi and Nissan CVT problems, I am suspicious about the long term stability of the tranny.

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    From what I've been told....I've heard that the twin clutch in the ralliart is a bit of a letdown. But I don't know if it's just cause it sucks or if it's because they compare it to the evo

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    Ok didn't got to drive the CVT WRX today, dealer sold it already!! But tested the manual base-model, the power is so goooood!! Foot not even hard on the throttle and it's already pulling hard, and turbo lag has been very minimal, Loved it. You still hear the rumble, but it's more for the outside. Inside it's a very refined ride, although the suspension could tighten up a bit

    Afternoon got to drive the Ralliart. That tranny, well, the best and the worst is the only way I can put it. It's very smooth in up-shifts, you almost never feel it, the rev hardly change. But in low speed, man that thing is LOUD! I don't think Mitsubishi has done anything to the NVH on this car. (not sure if it's this loud in the econ lancer as well, hope not, cause nobody gonna buy it). Also the tranny sends more vibration in low speed even more than my '06 Suzuki Aerio. Not sure if it's normal or I test drove a lemon ... heard people all over the internet saying their Ralliart is noisy, guess that's kinda normal.

    Will finally drive the CVT WRX tomorrow, hopefully that will help make up my mind. Another thing about the Ralliart is so small its turbo is, it still got turbo lag. But surprisingly I kinda find myself missing that lout noise when I cam home ...

    Will keep you guys posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by menphix View Post
    You still hear the rumble, but it's more for the outside.
    The rumble doesn't exist anymore. Might be in your head

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    The boxer engine still has some "rumble" but of course what we all know it as is due to the UEL

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsibanez View Post
    The boxer engine still has some "rumble" but of course what we all know it as is due to the UEL
    ... Which are not equipped on the 2015 WRX
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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    ... Which are not equipped on the 2015 WRX
    Exxxxactly

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    The Mitsu is a single scroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asindhidude View Post
    The Mitsu is a single scroll.
    For the Ralliart, yes. The Evo uses TS.
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    The EVO Twin Clutch trans has had issues with getting excessively hot when really working the gears. Nothing an aftermarket trans cooler wouldn't fix though.

    As far as the CVT reliability goes, im sure they will be fine for daily use. Im still not sure how they handle power and ill let Moshimoto spend the money figuring that out (they purchased the CVT).

    Subaru EU never messaged me back and Subaru US has no clue if this trans is the same as the one in the diesel application which produces 350ft lbs of torque. Therefore, time will tell.

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    The CVT on the WRX has also overheated several times during dyno pulls
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