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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    Hi you must be new. "0-60" means jack squat.

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    As an long time enthusiast, I find that to be one of the dumbest posts ever.
    Last edited by kritzell; 08-08-2013 at 09:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kritzell View Post
    As an long time enthusiast, I find that to be one of the dumbest posts ever.
    I have to agree with zax on that statement. The only thing 0-60 is good for is to tell you how fast you can go 0-60. In reality I never go 0-60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zitro View Post
    In the real world, no it doesn't. But it's a decent comparative measure. And quarter mile times do mean something, which at 13.5 @100 isn't too bad for a $25k car, given it also has a ton of space and is AWD, which is great for me living in WA. I don't care just about straight speed. Overall, it's a great car, so long as you don't care about having the newest tech. I did a lot of research before deciding on a vehicle, and I'm not new to cars
    You'll quickly learn that everything the WRX does well "doesn't count" in some peoples eyes on club WRX. It's all about "trap speed"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11blackSTi View Post
    I have to agree with zax on that statement. The only thing 0-60 is good for is to tell you how fast you can go 0-60. In reality I never go 0-60.
    I couldn't disagree more. It's long been used as a standard measurement of a cars capabilities. Respectfully..

    EDIT also if that's the case what measurements do we use...60-0 braking stats, 1/4 mile times or trap speed, skid pad results, top speed, lap times etc...etc...or none of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kritzell View Post
    I couldn't disagree more. It's long been used as a standard measurement of a cars capabilities. Respectfully..

    EDIT also if that's the case what measurements do we use...60-0 braking stats, 1/4 mile times or trap speed, skid pad results, top speed, lap times etc...etc...or none of them.
    I think it is kind of pointless...Maybe a nurburgring lap time (JK)? IDK, I see where you are coming from, but I don't race my car. I get joy out of feeling the power increase with modifications, but I also don't believe that 0-60 tells me anything about my car's capabilities (from my perspective). I think a good measure of performance for me is that the car is fast, and I feel like I have achieved a great level of performance when I pass cars off the road in the winter, and mine is glued to the snowy road and I am giving it full throttle past a snow plow in a school zone.

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    Fair enough. Good point on the snow. The main reasons I bought mine were the power and the fact I was tired of getting stuck every winter. Had I lived in warmer climates I'd have gotten a 5.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kritzell View Post
    I couldn't disagree more. It's long been used as a standard measurement of a cars capabilities. Respectfully..
    True. It has. But I think that measurement needs to change. These days, many cars have so much power that it can be difficult to put it down from a standing start. I think 0 - 100mph, or 30 - 100mph, should be the new benchmark. However, I also think it tells you very little about a car. It certainly doesn't tell you how much fun a car is. Fun is had in the corners.

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    Well from my perspective it's refreshing being able to put all the power down. I've had cars that would spin all the way through 1st and 2nd gears which wasn't much fun.(for me)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kritzell View Post
    You'll quickly learn that everything the WRX does well "doesn't count" in some peoples eyes on club WRX. It's all about "trap speed"
    Trap speed is a far better indication of actual acceleration.

    The only determination we can make from "0-60" on a WRX is that 4.7 seconds is how fast your bank account goes from $5000 to $0.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Soobvirgin View Post
    True. It has. But I think that measurement needs to change. These days, many cars have so much power that it can be difficult to put it down from a standing start. I think 0 - 100mph, or 30 - 100mph, should be the new benchmark. However, I also think it tells you very little about a car. It certainly doesn't tell you how much fun a car is. Fun is had in the corners.
    I kinda agree with this.. I mean, I like the 0-60 stats.. but my miata had an 8 sec 0-60 but it was way more fun to drive than my fiancee's 350z. But with all stats aside. I would just want to get the Subaru for the sound and how awesome it looks. The power and everything else is just an added bonus coming from a miata

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zitro View Post
    4.7-5 seconds 0-60 is pretty damn quick in my book, given that is totally stock with the crappy stock tune, and I can bring 4 friends with me?! Count me in.
    And once you are actually moving, a Mazdaspeed3 is just as quick (45-65mph is the same according to Morontrend...er...Motortrend), and a Ford Focus ST is significantly quicker while turning (.97 lateral g vs .92).

    Can we all just agree that numbers are interesting but never tell the whole tale of a car, and can even be misleading? I'm sure there are those who are new or not as learned to WRX's who think "0-60 in 4.7, how the hell did that other car that can only do it in 5.8 hang with me??"

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    Quote Originally Posted by kritzell View Post
    Kudos for admitting you owned a Miata.
    I'd love to own a Miata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvinball View Post
    And once you are actually moving, a Mazdaspeed3 is just as quick (45-65mph is the same according to Morontrend...er...Motortrend), and a Ford Focus ST is significantly quicker while turning (.97 lateral g vs .92).

    Can we all just agree that numbers are interesting but never tell the whole tale of a car, and can even be misleading? I'm sure there are those who are new or not as learned to WRX's who think "0-60 in 4.7, how the hell did that other car that can only do it in 5.8 hang with me??"

    PS. I really didn't actually intend to type "morontrend," it just came through my fingers that way, I thought I should leave it for lulz.
    Actually the ST is slower 3.2 vs 2.7 TROOF!!! I've never street raced my car so I'll take your guys word on it. I know at the strip I'm not losing to guys running 5.8 to 60 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvinball View Post
    I'd love to own a Miata.
    I've never had a feeling for them for some reason. I do like the BRZ though.

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