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This is a discussion on "The Sleeper Must Awaken!" -04 WRX Wagon Project- within the Builds forums, part of the Tech & Modifying & General Repairs category; I want to start auto X/ track days this summer. Idk maybe ill see you around OC...

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    I want to start auto X/ track days this summer. Idk maybe ill see you around OC
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    So got some good seat time up the Ortega this morning. Wanted to test the new tires and alignment settings.

    The temp outside during run this morning. 50

    Road temps 45 - 52 Shaded areas to sunny areas

    Best temps -----

    out---Front Left---in
    107 | 120 | 106

    in---Front Right---out
    106 | 125 | 113


    out---Rear Left---in
    105 | 112 | 113

    in---Rear Right---out
    106 | 108 | 100


    So what does this mean??
    Well this tells me (and my alignment-master-tech-guru-guy) if my current settings are working. In respects to properly using the tire along the three main regions of its contact surface. That being the outer edges and inner surface.

    If the temps were all over the place, either being hot on the inner edge and warm in the middle but colder on the outer edge, that would indicate that the car is not inducing proper mechanical grip and rolling onto the tire to plant it down into and through the turn as well the car could be too low meaning the roll center is too low so the car ends up pushing out along the surface of the tire instead of down onto it, resulting in the car losing grip and spinning out or the tire screeching through the turn.

    Mostly...says if the alignment is setup correctly for the environment it will be in the most. (A.K.A. a twisty, technical road course / track.)

    These temps show the car is well planted.



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    Hey... I know this is an old thread, but by now you've certainly made some changes/ progress?

    I've got an 04 Wagon PSM as well. Hybrid motor being built, swap in a couple weeks. Then I turn more attention to the suspension. So I've just been looking at your nice work here.

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    Sorry. Yes some changes have been made. =]]

    I have removed the Fortune Auto coilovers for the time being, since after 2 years the valving has started to show signs of decreased bounding control (yes bounding is the proper term not "rebound") and the front of the car would wallow up and down after going over transitions in the road instead of the pistons controlling the spring after.

    So, I have installed Koni Sport (Yellows) inserts with the d-rex bump extender spacers for the front along with Group N rear top mounts and a 3/8" spacer in the rear.

    Paired with RCE Wagon springs Roughly taking my 8kg front and 6kg rear FA coilover setup to a 5kg front and 4.5fg rear setup. As well increasing suspension travel to be able to handle road transitions better and gives the car a even stance not too high, not too low!

    With all the Whiteline bushings through out the car and the group N rear top mounts the car still feels like it's on coilovers but is a little better at managing the crappy Cali road surfaces. Yet still handling the turns great (a little more body roll but I could tune that out with larger sway bars which in turn would aid in increasing the main spring rates a bit.)

    I plan to also add the RCE front "lowering" camber plates which will drop the front 3/8" giving a little more front rake which will give a little more oversteer. (love it!)

    ...Also got around to wet sanding and then clear coating the front head lights, which turned out okay a tiny bit of "orange peel" but great for how old they are. So now no more "restoring" the headlights with an expensive "headlight restoring kit" every 2 months.

    I used 1000 grit and then 2500 grit wet sand paper followed with a thorough cleaning leading right into the clear coat using a 2 part mix spray can. I'll post some pics a little later.
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    Ah yes, the downside of a coilover for the daily driver. I'm moving to the RCE springs most likely, and considering d-Specs. (You know... the legendary legend of legends setup?) Only thing is that those d-specs are kinda pricey. May go with Koni's... we'll see. I'm currently on H&R wagon springs (sport) because I wanted only a minor drop, and they do well with an OEM type shock. But as was mentioned... as soon as my motor is done and swapped, the suspension bits are going to be dealt with.

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    So far the Konis are great running with a quarter turn up from full soft. (Which is interesting because Koni mentions that even though there are damping adjustments ((or bounding I forget at the moment)) their main intention with the adjustments is for long term life adjustment, if that makes sense? In other words as they get old and "loosen" up you adjust the valving to compensate.) But work for tuning as well.

    I was thinking the D-Specs as well but, mehh. I consider this a "temporary" or "maintenance mode" setup.

    Eventually I'll have the FA's rebuilt and revalved with their 2-way upgrade and work with them to get the valving to be set up for 40% road and 60% track. This is a great sum of the balance im looking for as well. =]]


    On another topic, I have been contemplating taking the rear diff out and setting the LSD plates to 100% lock up from the 70% they are now. would like to tune in a little more push from the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by othon View Post
    On another topic, I have been contemplating taking the rear diff out and setting the LSD plates to 100% lock up from the 70% they are now. would like to tune in a little more push from the rear.
    Won't that get "choppy" for daily driving. Or are you going to just slide around all of your turns now? :P

    I'm probably going to move to LSD. I've got the JDM TY754VBBBA 5 speed tranny. It's a 4.11 transmission. It's not as short as the 4.44, but a little shorter than the 3.90 in the USDM. I chose that because wanted the advantage of something a bit shorter, but I do a lot of highway and didn't want my transmission screaming at me the whole time. AT ANY RATE... when I got it, it had a bad center diff, and when we opened it up, we were pleased to find that the individual gears were much beefier than the USDM counterpart at the base of each "tooth" (for lack of the technical term which escapes me). I wish I had taken some pics for reference because it was considerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdubblu View Post
    Won't that get "choppy" for daily driving. Or are you going to just slide around all of your turns now? :P

    I'm probably going to move to LSD. I've got the JDM TY754VBBBA 5 speed tranny. It's a 4.11 transmission. It's not as short as the 4.44, but a little shorter than the 3.90 in the USDM. I chose that because wanted the advantage of something a bit shorter, but I do a lot of highway and didn't want my transmission screaming at me the whole time. AT ANY RATE... when I got it, it had a bad center diff, and when we opened it up, we were pleased to find that the individual gears were much beefier than the USDM counterpart at the base of each "tooth" (for lack of the technical term which escapes me). I wish I had taken some pics for reference because it was considerable.
    I'm running 70% lock both front and rear and I only get a little bit of "bucking" when they're cold. No chatter or any other craziness, I have been able to figure out how to drive the car around town considerably well so yay me. =]P Hence thinking/feeling like the 100% rear would be fine. Also the thinking is that the front wheels are being put through more differentiating radiuses then the rear are and would be more to complain in that respect then the rears. Hence in theory being more manageable to drive. We'll find out. =]]


    Yeah I really enjoy my 5 speed and even more so since the JDM STI gears and LSDs. Even when I drive my 2010 STi I still dream about my 5 speed. Yet the 6 speed does have more top end but I digress.

    I can imagine your torque must put down nice and firm, with that final 4.11. =]]

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